Without Gasol, the GOAT couldn't even get by SSOL offense. LA got lucky and found a team hurting and will to sacrifice to save money. And oddly enough willing to make a deal without seeing if they can get better elsewhere...
Both trades are suspect. And they just happened to take place before/during the same season, leading the both of them returning to the finals. A year after the Spurs locked down the NBA's future poster boy in four games. I don't have numbers to back it up, but I'm sure the television ratings for the 2007 finals sucked major ass. The NBA made sure that wasn't happening again.
Damn, you were right.
Ahaha, how ing stupid are you Mel?
Bynum/Odom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Jefferson.
I'm glade Mchale and Ainge colluded. Anyone that thinks they didn't is a naive little girl.
KG was considered one of if not the best PF in the league at the time of the trade. Gasol was hated by the Memphis fanbase and lead his team to a top lottery pick the year was shipped.
End of the day Mchale turns down the superior Laker package, helps the Celtics while ing Minny. Memphis shopped Gasol for almost two years and ends up with a deal that actually benefited their rebuilding.
That is why Memphis is in a much better situation than Minny currently.
Care to provide any proof that a deal centered around Odom/Bynum was ever on the table?
And I don't even see why he's having such a tough time admitting it, it's not even a big deal. It got the Lakers rings. But then again Lakerfans are the most insecure fanbase in all of sports so i shouldn't be surprised
21 gots is talking out of his ass again. There was never a Bynum/Odom for Garnett offer.
It was a three way trade that would have sent Garnett to LA, Bynum/Odom to Indiana, and Jermaine O'Neal to Minnesota.
Garnett for an old ass, always injured Jermaine O'Neal? No thanks. Garnett for Jefferson is a superior offer.
Marc Gasol >>>>>>>>>>> Al Jefferson
lmao 3 invisible s
You forgot Aaron McKie.
So the Lakers gave the Grizzlies cap relief/a #1 pick overall, investment for the future via a crapload of draft picks and Pau Gasol's near-equal? Good euphemisms.
The Lakers traded a player who has done very little in his NBA career but does represent cap relief, a bunch of picks that are unlikely to make a huge impact due to the Lakers' success, a couple unknowns and Marc Gasol who was unproven at the time. When Gasol left the Grizzlies, he held 12 franchise records. I'll be interested to see if Marc Gasol does that.
He was more than unproven. He was a longshot of a longshot. He was just Pau's fat little brother. NOBODY thought he'd be a decent NBA player. It was like trading Dominique Wilkins for Gerald Wilkins except add 100 extra pounds onto Gerald.
Some people need to stop crying about the Gasol trade. It's over and done with, and no amount of whining will send Gasol back to Memphis.
That's what you think.
Very true. Marc Gasol was taken with the 48th pick and while other excellent players like Ginobili have been taken later, it kinda shows the Lakers were not expecting a tremendous payoff. But the Grizzlies SURE ARE LUCKY that they got him cause he puts up similar numbers to his brother?
Are you saying the highest expiring contract at the time doesn't have value? Are you saying late first round picks dont have value? The $$$ have to be comparable to make the trade. They didn't trade to get Kwame to be an impact player. The traded for his expiring contract and dumped him to Detroit and were abel the pick up Zach with the money. Seems like a pretty shrewd move to me and it upgraded their team dramatically.
And you should research before you spew the same hogwash many others before you have. Pau was well known to be on the trading block for over a year at the time. Just 3 weeks prior to the trade the Grizz turned down an offer from the Bulls. If the GM's from your teams didn't persue the possibility when it was well known that the Owner wanted Pau out and he was available then shame on them.
That your particular GM panicked and made a kneejerk trade for the Big Craptus is his fault and blaming the Lakers and pulling the collusion card is nothing more than admitting they dropped the ball and got one upped by the better organization.
Please. Don't even try that. Late first round picks have so little value it's not even funny. NBA teams sell their late first round picks for less than Ghazi pays for a handjob.
Not true. The Lakers and many others saw the potential in Marc. The balked for almost a week trying not to include him in the deal. Memphis insisted. For God's sake, do a little research. He was the MVP of his league and was showing lots of promise also playing on the Spanish National team.
That none of you idiots saw Marc's potential means absolutely nothing other than you are ty at evaluatiing talent. And look.... low and behold... Marc is making a nice little impact. In fact, his numbers are very comparable to Pau's this year... the supposed best big in the league. Go figure...
bull .
Show me one article written AT THE TIME OF THE TRADE that gushed over the tremendous value and "potential" of Marc Gasol. Every article I've seen either mentions him briefly or not at all. He was a throw-in of extremely little value at the time of the trade, there's not a ing thing you can do that disproves that.
LOL, please, nobody was hyping Marc Gasol at the time..if you look back(I was a regular on RealGM at the time, so I saw the opinions of everybody from every team, not just Spurs fans, so there wasn't a bias against LA), Crittenton, a 19th pick with little hype, was actually hyped A LOT more than Marc Gasol was when this trade happened..Gasol started getting inflated once Laker fans started defending the collusion..
Some posts from a Laker forum(just by doing a quick search):
Unbelievable. Kupchak should be GM of the year. I would’ve happily included Odom with Kwame to get Pau. Once Bynum comes back Odom becomes the #5 scoring option which will suit him perfectly. In fact, I think this move makes Lamar all the more expendable since the foundation of this team for the forseeable future is
Gasol will be such a great fit with this team. I am absolutely giddy. To replace our worst player with an all-star…WOW. Sorry to see Javaris and his potential go, but we are now stacked for a run at the le for the next five years.This is such a freaking steal. Best of luck to Memphis after Kwame’s contract expires this summer!YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i’m sorry Crit that you had to go, i was looking forward to seeing you play in the P & G, in other news..
YESSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!35. It is also believed that the Lakers would need to arrange a sign-and-trade for Aaron McKie, who is not currently playing in NBA, to make the salary cap math work for the deal.
– espn.com
aaron mckie is suppose to solve that little problem.
yippeee!
Even if Jerry West wasn’t directly involved you have to wonder if he worked behind the scenes to help get this done and exact some revenge for the Ainge-McHale conspiracy.
Lakers-Celtics finals here we come baby!Kwame = blows
but still provided solid interior D and moments of unintentional comedy (if not taken too seriously – which is how he rather be taken)
Critt = Potential niceness (with a capital p)
I’m in the camp (albeit small one) that thinks he will actually be a better PG than Farmar in the future. I mean, we saw flashes of brilliance from him in Limited playing time (albeit a lot of gar-baj time) – he is going to be Nice.
Aaron McKie – important player on the 76s 2001 NBA Finals run
But that was 2001. Thanks for the contract.
Marc Gasol – who?
Those are from the "forum blue and gold" through the first 30 or so comments, I just took out a few, but the 400+ comments about this trade were pretty much the same as the posts I quoted above..I didn't cherry pick too, there was literally 1 person that mentioned missing Marc Gasol after over 400 comments, and his comment was about wanting to see the brothers play together..there were plenty of Critt comments..most of the comments were about the Grizzlies getting absolutely robbed, and this is from a Lakers forum LOL..
The quotes I can bring up from general NBA forums would be even worse..everybody at the time recognized this was a massive robbery, and the only "potential" player that received any hype was Javaris Crittenton, which speaks volumes on how bad this trade was..
I don't believe the NBA is rigged or anything, but this trade was undoubtedly shady, especially when you see what the Celtics had to go through to get their trades..
2nd round picks:
Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
CarlosBoozer
Gilbet Arenas
Mehmet Okur
Rashard Lewis
Cuttino Mobley
Steven Jackson
Nick Van Exel
Cedric Ceballos
Rony Kukoc
Dino Radja
Anthony Mason
Sarunas Marciulionis
Daniel Gibson
Leon Powe
Ronny Turiaf
Luke Walton
Kyle Korver
Eric Snow
PJ Brown
Cliff Robinson
Sherman Douglas
Steve kerr
How about late 1st round:
Aaron Brooks
Kendrick Perkins
David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
Kevin Martin
Josh Howard
Tony Parker
Nate Robinson
Boris Diaw
Delonte West
Rudy Fernandez
Morris Peterson
Samuel Dalembert
Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee
Jarrett Jack
Kenny Thomas
John Salmons
Jordan Farmar
George Hill
Linas Kleiza
Beno Udrih
So bringing up quotes from people with no foresight or talent evaluation skills proves what? That they are as big a moron as you?LOL, please, nobody was hyping Marc Gasol at the time..if you look back(I was a regular on RealGM at the time, so I saw the opinions of everybody from every team, not just Spurs fans, so there wasn't a bias against LA), Crittenton, a 19th pick with little hype, was actually hyped A LOT more than Marc Gasol was when this trade happened..Gasol started getting inflated once Laker fans started defending the collusion..
Some posts from a Laker forum(just by doing a quick search):
Those are from the "forum blue and gold"..I didn't cherry pick too, there was literally 1 person that mentioned missing Marc Gasol after over 400 comments, and his comment was about wanting to see the brothers play together..there were plenty of Critt comments..most of the comments were about the Grizzlies getting absolutely robbed, and this is from a Lakers forum..
The quotes I can bring up from general NBA forums would be even worse..
OK.
OK Gobbler, you keep hyping that 50th pick, or whatever he was..
If you're telling me the Grizzlies knew Marc Gasol, the 50th pick in the draft with little hype at the time, would be nearly this good, then you're basically telling me that the Grizzlies have a great front office, which has been proven to be false many times..go to a Grizzlies forum and see how much their fans complain about their horrible front office..
If he was as hyped as you say he was, then Laker fans would have at least acknowledged his loss when the trade happened, which they clearly didn't if you look at the majority of the comments that were made at the time..look at Scola and Splitter here, Spurs fans talk about them all the time and acknowledge their value..I know Spurs fans are much more knowledgeable than Laker fans, but still..
Crap picks... And how many players higher than those are there that amounted to nothing? Thousands?2nd round picks:
Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
CarlosBoozer
Gilbet Arenas
Mehmet Okur
Rashard Lewis
Cuttino Mobley
Steven Jackson
Nick Van Exel
Cedric Ceballos
Rony Kukoc
Dino Radja
Anthony Mason
Sarunas Marciulionis
Daniel Gibson
Leon Powe
Ronny Turiaf
Luke Walton
Kyle Korver
Eric Snow
PJ Brown
Cliff Robinson
Sherman Douglas
Steve kerr
How about late 1st round:
Aaron Brooks
Kendrick Perkins
David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
Kevin Martin
Josh Howard
Tony Parker
Nate Robinson
Boris Diaw
Delonte West
Rudy Fernandez
Morris Peterson
Samuel Dalembert
Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee
Jarrett Jack
Kenny Thomas
John Salmons
Jordan Farmar
George Hill
Linas Kleiza
Beno Udrih
which is funny, because the Gasol collusion trade did not match up salary.
Lakers cheated, CHEATED, by grabbing a retired player to a contract to make the salaries match.
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