Phil Jackson: "Kevin McHale gave the Celtics Garnett"

[cobbler]

bull .

Show me one article written AT THE TIME OF THE TRADE that gushed over the tremendous value and "potential" of Marc Gasol. Every article I've seen either mentions him briefly or not at all. He was a throw-in of extremely little value at the time of the trade, there's not a ing thing you can do that disproves that.

[Mitch Kupchak:] Of course we traded Marc Gasol when we got Pau, his brother, and I think Marc is going to be a good player. European players are different, so he's going to have to prove it this year, but I think he has a chance to play in this league for years to come.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...wanted-sun-yue


“I have no buyer’s remorse,” Heisley said. “Listen, I can’t tell you how many people would tell me, wherever I went in Memphis, ‘Get rid of Gasol. …Trade Gasol.’

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns


Many people thought Marc was just a throw-in in that trade, but Memphis had targeted him all along," said Herb Rudoy, Marc's agent. "If Marc wasn't included, Memphis never would have done it."

http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/st...2.969b466.html

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

[LnGrrrR]

2nd round picks:

Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
CarlosBoozer
Gilbet Arenas
Mehmet Okur
Rashard Lewis
Cuttino Mobley
Steven Jackson
Nick Van Exel
Cedric Ceballos
Rony Kukoc
Dino Radja
Anthony Mason
Sarunas Marciulionis
Daniel Gibson
Leon Powe
Ronny Turiaf
Luke Walton
Kyle Korver
Eric Snow
PJ Brown
Cliff Robinson
Sherman Douglas
Steve kerr


How about late 1st round:

Aaron Brooks
Kendrick Perkins
David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
Kevin Martin
Josh Howard
Tony Parker
Nate Robinson
Boris Diaw
Delonte West
Rudy Fernandez
Morris Peterson
Samuel Dalembert
Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee
Jarrett Jack
Kenny Thomas
John Salmons
Jordan Farmar
George Hill
Linas Kleiza
Beno Udrih


@ no value!

Really?

How about posting all the late round picks who DIDN'T pan out...

[cobbler]

OK Gobbler, you keep hyping that 50th pick, or whatever he was..

If you're telling me the Grizzlies knew Marc Gasol, the 50th pick in the draft with little hype at the time, would be nearly this good, then you're basically telling me that the Grizzlies have a great front office, which has been proven to be false many times..go to a Grizzlies forum and see how much their fans complain about their horrible front office..

If he was as hyped as you say he was, then Laker fans would have at least acknowledged his loss when the trade happened, which they clearly didn't if you look at the majority of the comments that were made at the time..look at Scola and Splitter here, Spurs fans talk about them all the time and acknowledge their value..I know Spurs fans are much more knowledgeable than Laker fans, but still..

Many of us knowlegable Laker fans did acknowledge the loss of Marc. Just because we are in the minority doesn't mean it didn't happen or that he didnt have potential. I'm sorry you and others could not see it. I guess now 3 years later we know. I was right... and as usual... you were wrong. Go figure.

[MiamiHeat]

blah blah blah

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

i did not have sexual relations with that woman

[DPG21920]

Many of us knowlegable Laker fans did acknowledge the loss of Marc. Just because we are in the minority doesn't mean it didn't happen or that he didnt have potential. I'm sorry you and others could not see it. I guess now 3 years later we know. I was right... and as usual... you were wrong. Go figure.

[cobbler]

Really?

How about posting all the late round picks who DIDN'T pan out...

That wasn't the piont. The comment was made that late first round picks have no value. I just showed you a lot of value in late first and even late 2nd round picks. It's obviously a crap shoot all the way to the #1 pick. There are players that have busted that were lottery picks and there are stars that came out of the late rounds.

The comment that late first round picks have no value is ridiculous at best and I showed it's just not the case.

[monosylab1k]

2nd round picks:

Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
CarlosBoozer
Gilbet Arenas
Mehmet Okur
Rashard Lewis
Cuttino Mobley
Steven Jackson
Nick Van Exel
Cedric Ceballos
Rony Kukoc
Dino Radja
Anthony Mason
Sarunas Marciulionis
Daniel Gibson
Leon Powe
Ronny Turiaf
Luke Walton
Kyle Korver
Eric Snow
PJ Brown
Cliff Robinson
Sherman Douglas
Steve kerr


How about late 1st round:

Aaron Brooks
Kendrick Perkins
David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
Kevin Martin
Josh Howard
Tony Parker
Nate Robinson
Boris Diaw
Delonte West
Rudy Fernandez
Morris Peterson
Samuel Dalembert
Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee
Jarrett Jack
Kenny Thomas
John Salmons
Jordan Farmar
George Hill
Linas Kleiza
Beno Udrih


@ no value!

you are so ing re ed. This has nothing to do with picking a good player with a late 1st round pick.

this is about the VALUE of a late first round pick. On draft day, late 1sts have VERY LITTLE VALUE, as evidenced by the fact that you can simply BUY A LATE FIRST ROUND PICK FROM ANOTHER TEAM. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TRADE ANYTHING.

If you can't understand a late first rounder has very little trade value, then you really don't know about how the NBA works.

[monosylab1k]

The comment that late first round picks have no value is ridiculous at best and I showed it's just not the case.

so just because Tom Brady is a 6th round pick, that means NFL teams should covet their 6th rounders because they're getting a guaranteed Hall Of Famer with it?

The actual value of a late pick is incredibly small....what you do with it is SOMETHING ELSE COMPLETELY.

[monosylab1k]

I wonder how many of those guys on that list were the either sold/traded for peanuts to the team they would up playing for as a rookie. I'd say probably half or more.

[LnGrrrR]

That wasn't the piont. The comment was made that late first round picks have no value. I just showed you a lot of value in late first and even late 2nd round picks. It's obviously a crap shoot all the way to the #1 pick. There are players that have busted that were lottery picks and there are stars that came out of the late rounds.

The comment that late first round picks have no value is ridiculous at best and I showed it's just not the case.

What kind of logic is that? Obviously you have to factor in the percentages, and the percentage of "good" players becomes much better towards the top of the draft. You make it sound like pick 50 has as much of a chance in the average draft to become a superstar as the first pick overall.

Using this logic, the "value" of a lottery ticket is in the millions, because I can show you tons of million dollar lottery winners.

[monosylab1k]

in 2009, the Lakers traded a late 1st round pick to the Knicks for a future 2nd rounder and money.

why the would they do that? cobbler has established that late first round picks have so much value!

[v2freak]

[Mitch Kupchak:] Of course we traded Marc Gasol when we got Pau, his brother, and I think Marc is going to be a good player. European players are different, so he's going to have to prove it this year, but I think he has a chance to play in this league for years to come.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...wanted-sun-yue


“I have no buyer’s remorse,” Heisley said. “Listen, I can’t tell you how many people would tell me, wherever I went in Memphis, ‘Get rid of Gasol. …Trade Gasol.’

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns


Many people thought Marc was just a throw-in in that trade, but Memphis had targeted him all along," said Herb Rudoy, Marc's agent. "If Marc wasn't included, Memphis never would have done it."

http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/st...2.969b466.html

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

2 things:

Of course Kupchak isn't going to say "yeah we raped those Grizzlies real good. We gave them a bunch of nothing players including Gasol". He is going to build up Gasol to make the trade look even.

Also, of course the Grizzlies are going to rationalize their decision. It's called cognitive dissonance.

[HarlemHeat37]

2 things:

Of course Kupchak isn't going to say "yeah we raped those Grizzlies real good. We gave them a bunch of nothing players including Gasol". He is going to build up Gasol to make the trade look even.

Also, of course the Grizzlies are going to rationalize their decision. It's called cognitive dissonance.

in 2009, the Lakers traded a late 1st round pick to the Knicks for a future 2nd rounder and money.

why the would they do that? cobbler has established that late first round picks have so much value!

[monosylab1k]

2 things:

Of course Kupchak isn't going to say "yeah we raped those Grizzlies real good. We gave them a bunch of nothing players including Gasol". He is going to build up Gasol to make the trade look even.

Also, of course the Grizzlies are going to rationalize their decision. It's called cognitive dissonance.

that dip thinks quotes from everybody involved in the collusion will justify it. and of course Marc Gasol's ing agent is going to talk up his client.

Find a source that wasn't directly involved in the dealings, Lakerfan.

[LnGrrrR]

that dip thinks quotes from everybody involved in the collusion will justify it. and of course Marc Gasol's ing agent is going to talk up his client.

Find a source that wasn't directly involved in the dealings, Lakerfan.

Guys, I just found out that Nixon didn't do anything illegal! Check out this quote!

Nixon - When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal.

I can't believe he was almost impeached!

[cobbler]

in 2009, the Lakers traded a late 1st round pick to the Knicks for a future 2nd rounder and money.

why the would they do that? cobbler has established that late first round picks have so much value!

Hmmmmmmmm..... they traded a pick for another picj and money. So am I to assume now that money has no value as well?

[MiamiHeat]

also, for the 2nd time

i'd like to remind everyone the Lakers cheated and cir vented NBA rules by signing a retired player AARON MCKIE, who was an assistant coach at the time I THINK, to make the salaries match.

[monosylab1k]

Hmmmmmmmm..... they traded a pick for another picj and money. So am I to assume now that money has no value as well?

Why sell it for money when you can get a guaranteed Hall Of Famer?

[v2freak]

You are to assume money has more value than a 1st round pick and much more value than a 2nd round pick.

[monosylab1k]

, if all it takes to get something as valuable as a late first rounder is money, then I'm REALLY PISSED OFF that Mark Cuban didn't just trade money to Seattle for the rights to draft Kevin Durant. Just throw enough money at them and it's yours!

[v2freak]

[LnGrrrR]

, if all it takes to get something as valuable as a late first rounder is money, then I'm REALLY PISSED OFF that Mark Cuban didn't just trade money to Seattle for the rights to draft Kevin Durant. Just throw enough money at them and it's yours!

Well, Cobbler said that all the draft picks are a crapshoot anyways. You could probably save money by trading your low pick for their high pick, and maybe throwing in an extra $100. I mean, $100 is cash right? And cash=value, so I don't see why they'd turn it down.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL..gobble, gobble, gobble..

[cobbler]

Bottom line...

All you bozos can cry collusion all you want. You can cry the trade was completely lopsided all you want. You can deny that late first round picks have value all you want.

Facts are until proven otherwise. No collusion ever took place. If you have facts to prove otherewise show them. Otherwise STFU about collusion.

The trade, though seemingly lopsided at the time has turned out to be great for both parties. Other teams and fans ing about it is only sour grapes that they didn't make the deal first. Some people saw the potential of Marc and other did not. There is no shame in not seeing it but there certainly is in calling out others because they did. There are numerous articles out now that have revisited the trade and conclude that it wasn't the great robbery that was once whined about.

So really, what we're looking at here is a Gasol-for-Gasol deal, which all of a sudden doesn't seem that lopsided from the standpoint of the Grizzlies.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/01/t...ing-just-fine/


"They gave up a great player but it helped them extend the franchise's success into the future," Popovich said. "It's shown that they've done a good job. Whatever they were thinking a couple of iterations ahead at the time has paid off for them."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/30/p...nst-grizzlies/


The once-maligned trade that moved Pau Gasol from Memphis to the Los Angeles Lakers two years ago this month looks a lot different these days.

What initially was greeted with great cynicism, laughter and disgust -- a lopsided transaction in the Lakers' favor -- is looking more like a win-win for both teams.

Cap space and flexibility are no longer punch lines in Memphis. The Griz, given time to connect the dots of the deal, have stockpiled useful players.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...laugh-no-more/


etc... etc... etc...

[cobbler]

also, for the 2nd time

i'd like to remind everyone the Lakers cheated and cir vented NBA rules by signing a retired player AARON MCKIE, who was an assistant coach at the time I THINK, to make the salaries match.

DID NOT break any rules. Show me the rule they broke. It was a loophole and the Lakers used it. There has been a change to not allow it anymore. Not unlike the Jamison trade with the big Z loophole. I am sure that will be changes as well, but the fact is the Cavs broke no rule.

Wrong again.