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This is Cobbler though. He has to defend any and all things Lakers. Even when it means saying/doing some foolish things. That is just his thing. Like an itch you just have to scratch.
The whole idea of collusion is to hide the facts.
The real fact is that the collusion theories will never die, but it is amusing to watch Laker fans try so hard to disprove them.
You would think that having a perennial NBA Finalist to root for would be enough for a fan.
This is Cobbler though. He has to defend any and all things Lakers. Even when it means saying/doing some foolish things. That is just his thing. Like an itch you just have to scratch.
Stern gave Lakers Pau Gasol which evens it up. At least the Celtics lost some good talents in this trade including AJ, Delonte, Telfair, etc.... That 7 for 1 deal wasn't as much of a robbery as the Pau Gasol trade IMHO in which Lakers lost nothing but dip s.
I don't need to. How about you find a source that proves it happend? You are making the accusations... prove it or STFU already.that dip thinks quotes from everybody involved in the collusion will justify it. and of course Marc Gasol's ing agent is going to talk up his client.
Find a source that wasn't directly involved in the dealings, Lakerfan.
Cobbler, do you believe in God?
Lakers colluded, West the mastermind. Even an idiot can see that.
Prove he does not exist or you are wrong.
Well played.
I don't think collusion is involved. I just thought it was a lopsided deal, moreso than the Boston/KG trade (though that was still lopsided).
Of course I defend my Lakers. Isn't that what being a fan is about?
And yes, having a perennial NBA Finalist to root for is awesome. I love being a Laker fan.
I don't see the collusion and don't believe it's the case. I asked JW to his face what he thought of all the collusion reports. His reply... "Utter nonsense"
So I guess I will take the word of one of the most respected men in all of sports over your BS conjecture anyday.
Sure I say some foolish things. Don't we all? Doesn't detract from the fact that you cannot prove collusion, that quality and "valuable" players are chosen in the latter 1st round, or that the gasol trade evened out and wasn't nearly the robbery as first reported.
I read something awhile ago that said (if i remember the number correctly) that 6-8% of the picks from #22-30 become stars in the NBA. Maybe that is no value to you guys but it is to me. It you think it's foolish to value late 1st and 2nd round picks then so be it. I disagree.
No need to twist other people's words. They said late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks have little value, not no value, around the league. The Gasol trade essentially made the Lakers a powerhouse again without giving the Grizzlies any instant value. By making the Lakers a powerhouse, the 1st round picks become 28th to 30th picks and have lesser value than early 2nd rounders from the 31st to 35th range.
I am agnostic.
A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
I'm not out there making accusations that he does or doesn't. If I mad an accusation that god did not exist then you can tell me to prove it. You asked if I "believe" in god. My answer was no.
So.... you prove that he does exist if you are claming he does.
Nice try!
Here's the thing... if he WAS involved, would he admit it? Again, I don't think collusion happened, just pointing out a (huge) flaw in your argument.I don't see the collusion and don't believe it's the case. I asked JW to his face what he thought of all the collusion reports. His reply... "Utter nonsense"
So I guess I will take the word of one of the most respected men in all of sports over your BS conjecture anyday.
Just beacuse some quality players are chosen in the late rounds, does not mean that pick is half or even a quarter as valuable as lottery picks. Is there some "value" there? Sure. But the question is, did the Grizzlies gain value OVERALL? Most people would argue that the value of Pau Gasol at the time of the trade was much greater than cap space, some low first rnd picks, and Marc Gasol.Doesn't detract from the fact that you cannot prove collusion, that quality and "valuable" players are chosen in the latter 1st round, or that the gasol trade evened out and wasn't nearly the robbery as first reported.
As well, you can't really look at something after the fact and say, "Well it worked out ok" to justify it. If I drive home drunk out of my mind, but manage not to hit anyone, does that mean that I didn't do anything wrong?
So the 28 pick has lesser value than the 35th pick? Classic!
LOL you asked Jerry West about the collusion, and he said no?!..what the ?!..totally unexpected..I am absolutely shocked right now, I need some air..
I don't know what's worse..the fact that you're using that as an argument against collusion, or the fact that you personally asked Jerry West this stupid question, expecting any answer other than the answer he ended up giving you..
Believe what you will. Guaranteed money has to be paid for players who want to come in to the NBA directly but projected 1st round picks who drop into the 2nd round do not have to be paid guaranteed money and are not bound by rookie scale contracts and are usually cheaper, and are essentially the same level of players.
If you don't know why that's often true, you haven't been paying attention the past few years.
Gobbler's ass hurts more than usual, everybody is running a train on him in this thread..who wants next?..
Again, I will go with the respected record of a class act person over internet arm chair GM's.
I never implied that late round picks are even a quarter as valuable as lottery picks. I simply said.... they have value and was told they have so little value its silly. I happen to believe thye have value and showed quie a few quality players that have been chosen in those picks.
And most people did argue that the Grizz didnt get equal value at the time. Now they are retracting and seeing what they couldn't 3 years ago.
Technically, you're probably an agnostic atheist.
Agnostic - without knowledge
Atheist - without belief
I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know if God exists, and I don't believe.
It was a comment in a conversation while we were talking about all the arm chair GM's out on the internet. It's not an argument at all. I don't believe there was any collusion. You do. So prove it. Put your proof where your mouth is. All you can do is say well of course they would deny it. Well, show me any inkling of proof and i will listen. If it's all going to be factless accusations... then you have nothing but hot air on your side.... with is par for the course.
agreed
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