Phil Jackson: "Kevin McHale gave the Celtics Garnett"

[Mel_13]

Well, show me any inkling of proof and i will listen.

You do realize that there is no proof that it didn't happen. All you have is denials from people who would incriminating themselves to say otherwise.

[cobbler]

You do realize that there is no proof that it didn't happen. All you have is denials from people who would incriminating themselves to say otherwise.

In our country... the burden of proof is on the accusor.

[DPG21920]

Who do you believe was behind 9/11 Cobbler?

[Mel_13]

In our country... the burden of proof is on the accusor.

This is a message board, not Law and Order.

[cobbler]

Gobbler's ass hurts more than usual, everybody is running a train on him in this thread..who wants next?..

Why would I be butthurt. I am sitting here laughing at you. You guys are so butthurt over the Lakers success that you just can't let the Gasol trade go. Not quite sure how your whining and ing make me hurt but it it make you feel special... good for you.

[cobbler]

This is a message board, not Law and Order.

uhhhh ok....

you still have NOTHING to support your accusations. NADA

[Mel_13]

Why would I be butthurt. I am sitting here laughing at you. You guys are so butthurt over the Lakers success that you just can't let the Gasol trade go. Not quite sure how your whining and ing make me hurt but it it make you feel special... good for you.

Says the guy presenting the full-throated defense of the trade.

[Mel_13]

uhhhh ok....

you still have NOTHING to support your accusations. NADA

First off, I haven't made the slightest attempt to make a case that collusion exists. I'm just enjoying watching you flail about trying to prove that it doesn't.

And you have NOTHING to support your defense except for denials from the parties involved. NADA.

[cobbler]

First off, I haven't made the slightest attempt to make a case that collusion exists. I'm just enjoying watching you flail about trying to prove that it doesn't.

And you have NOTHING to support your defense except for denials from the parties involved. NADA.

I dont have to prove it doesn't. I can certainly relpy to the people that are still crying about it and I do. Flail? I stand by everything I have said and I have not heard one tiny bit of proof to support the accusations.

[Mel_13]

I dont have to prove it doesn't. I can certainly relpy to the people that are still crying about it and I do. Flail? I stand by everything I have said and I have not heard one tiny bit of proof to support the accusations.

Of course you don't have to prove that it doesn't, yet you keep trying. Really quite entertaining.

Look, as Laker fans go you seem fairly rational. You must realize that the only reason this thread didn't die yesterday is because of Laker fans offering a defense. Then the whole discussion becomes about the flaws in that defense, and there are plenty of flaws in that defense.

If you really want to play out the courtroom scenario, you wouldn't even offer a defense since your position is that the prosecution hasn't met the burden of proof.

For the entertainment value alone, I hope you keep up your defense.

[v2freak]

LOL you asked Jerry West about the collusion, and he said no?!..what the ?!..totally unexpected..I am absolutely shocked right now, I need some air..

I don't know what's worse..the fact that you're using that as an argument against collusion, or the fact that you personally asked Jerry West this stupid question, expecting any answer other than the answer he ended up giving you..

Bottom line...

All you bozos can cry collusion all you want. You can cry the trade was completely lopsided all you want. You can deny that late first round picks have value all you want.

Facts are until proven otherwise. No collusion ever took place. If you have facts to prove otherewise show them. Otherwise STFU about collusion.

The trade, though seemingly lopsided at the time has turned out to be great for both parties. Other teams and fans ing about it is only sour grapes that they didn't make the deal first. Some people saw the potential of Marc and other did not. There is no shame in not seeing it but there certainly is in calling out others because they did. There are numerous articles out now that have revisited the trade and conclude that it wasn't the great robbery that was once whined about.

So really, what we're looking at here is a Gasol-for-Gasol deal, which all of a sudden doesn't seem that lopsided from the standpoint of the Grizzlies.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/01/t...ing-just-fine/


"They gave up a great player but it helped them extend the franchise's success into the future," Popovich said. "It's shown that they've done a good job. Whatever they were thinking a couple of iterations ahead at the time has paid off for them."

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/30/p...nst-grizzlies/


The once-maligned trade that moved Pau Gasol from Memphis to the Los Angeles Lakers two years ago this month looks a lot different these days.

What initially was greeted with great cynicism, laughter and disgust -- a lopsided transaction in the Lakers' favor -- is looking more like a win-win for both teams.

Cap space and flexibility are no longer punch lines in Memphis. The Griz, given time to connect the dots of the deal, have stockpiled useful players.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...laugh-no-more/


etc... etc... etc...

The bolded parts are what I got from your post - a contradiction. I actually do respect that you are trying to defend your team, especially with a line of people bigger than Macy's at Christmas, waiting to tear you to pieces. But at this point I am wondering if you honestly believe the Lakers and Grizzlies didn't collude, or you are just defending them because they're your team.

[cobbler]

The bolded parts are what I got from your post - a contradiction. I actually do respect that you are trying to defend your team, especially with a line of people bigger than Macy's at Christmas, waiting to tear you to pieces. But at this point I am wondering if you honestly believe the Lakers and Grizzlies didn't collude, or you are just defending them because they're your team.

I honestly believe because I know what happened. I am also a Laker homer. It's not rocket science and has been beaten to death. Yet anytime the Lakers see success out it comes again and again. Jerry went to Mitch and told him that even though Pau was on the market for over a year and Mitch had never thought he could come up with the pieces to obtain him, that he should try and work a deal as the Grizz would consider an expiring since they were not getting equal player offers across the board. Mitch then ran with it. No wrong doing there.