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    It is senseless. Blair at 21 was a potential lottery pick and an NBA ready player. Whiteside is a project that might not ever be anything. Big difference.
    The spurs need legit size. They are not winning anything if they do not address that. And only getting Spiller won't be enough. They need at least 2 legit centers on the team next year and get rid of Bonner.

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    Pops Mensah Bonsu Part Deux!
    Hmmmm, maybe so but 4 inches taller and 7 inches more on the wingspan...Ya, those 2 are pretty similar..

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    Mountainballer mentioned this in another thread...and I agree with him if it comes down to taking Whiteside.

    If all the "desirable" SF prospects were gone I'd like to see the Spurs talk Memphis out of both of their late picks...#25 and #28...for #20. Then they could still likely draft Pondexter and pick up another good guard prospect in Dominique Jones. That has much better payoff potential than waiting until Mr. 7'7 is 30 years old to learn the Spurs system.
    How many more guards do you want on the team? The spurs are loaded at guard.

    Not many minutes left at guard for anyone to make a significant impact but lots of minutes on the frontline.

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    Not a fan of projects for this draft. We need help all over, and I don't think we're loaded at guard. TP has no real PG to back him up. Hill complements Manu, but doesn't rest him. Manu needs a ton of rest to give us anything for the playoffs. Our D league projects are still projects. Again, we need help at guard.

    I agree we need help in the post but as I said a project is not ideal. The Spurs suck at developing bigs anyway so I don't see this working, but that's obviously just my opinion.

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    Whiteside is definitely an enigma-- for every positive review I read about him, there's also a negative one somewhere else. One scouting report out of Sacramento says he outperformed Aldrich, Orton, and Udoh in a workout for the Kings. I'm still intrigued that he could eventually be a taller version of Chris Andersen or Tyrus Thomas-- both have been called "head cases" though I think either would've helped the Spurs this year. I'd have to think that something was up if the Spurs did draft him-- like a trade for a SG/SF or two-- but if Splitter comes and Blair and McDyess remain, Whiteside would only be replacing Mahinmi's 6 mpg, which is a reasonable expectation.

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    I think this guy could help, but he seems to high risk for my taste. The fact that he is very thin is a problem for me. If he has the footspeed to defend the perimiter, he might be best utilized as a 3. That could create some serious problems for most teams to match up with.

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    I think this guy could help, but he seems to high risk for my taste. The fact that he is very thin is a problem for me. If he has the footspeed to defend the perimiter, he might be best utilized as a 3. That could create some serious problems for most teams to match up with.
    o? If he had the ball handling and shooting skills to be a 3, he'd probably go #2 overall like Durant. Players don't just suddenly develop that .

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    This kid looks better than Ian does today in terms of LEGAL shot blocking and he has a nice touch, even a feasible outside jumper. He's projected at 21 today on DX.

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    o? If he had the ball handling and shooting skills to be a 3, he'd probably go #2 overall like Durant. Players don't just suddenly develop that .
    His jumper can't be worse than Bogans can it? The length on defense is huge. He doesn't have to really handle the ball to sit in the corner.

    Hence the "high risk" statement I made. Notice I didn't even say high reward. Honestly it is hard to tell what a guy can do when he moves to the NBA.

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    His jumper can't be worse than Bogans can it?
    Really? You're serious?

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    Really? You're serious?
    Actually, Whiteside's offense is his mid-range jumper. He also said that his jumper is better than people think it is. He also shot 60% from 3 last season but that is mainly due to a small sample size.

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    I've been told he was given star treatment (practicing when he wanted to, never being held accountable) at Marshall. It also led him to decide to ditch the entire spring semester of school.

    While I'm curious to see what he develops into, I don't think he fits the mold of being a Spur very well.

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    Actually, Whiteside's offense is his mid-range jumper. He also said that his jumper is better than people think it is. He also shot 60% from 3 last season but that is mainly due to a small sample size.
    I'm not knocking the kid's jumper, but Bogans is also primarily a jump shooter. And Bogans is a passable shooter from NBA 3 point range. The poster said that Whiteside's jumper couldn't be worse than Bogans'. I would contend that it definitely could. In fact, any 7 footer who has Bogans' jump shot would be gone by pick number 10, hands down.

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    I'm not knocking the kid's jumper, but Bogans is also primarily a jump shooter. And Bogans is a passable shooter from NBA 3 point range. The poster said that Whiteside's jumper couldn't be worse than Bogans'. I would contend that it definitely could. In fact, any 7 footer who has Bogans' jump shot would be gone by pick number 10, hands down.
    I actually would contend that it was hyperbole, but the reasoning didn't seem like it.

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    From DX situational statistics on Centers...

    Follow the link for the whole article, below is Whiteside's piece. It was one of the more positive write-ups from the DX crew.

    Hassan Whiteside is one of the more intriguing players in this draft, and you can see why from his situations statistics.

    With a usage of 12.8 possessions per-game that ranks him just above average, Whiteside scored on a very solid 56.8% of his overall touches and turned the ball over at a low 13% rate.

    Whiteside received just 27% of his touches in the post, one of the lowest marks on our center rankings. Despite that fact, he scored 61.1% of those touches, good for third on our list. He was fouled on 16.1% of those shots, ranking him second. Whiteside was able to make a nice impact on the block despite his lack of lower body strength, showing a nice hook shot and unique touch for a player his age.

    Outside of the post, Whiteside used his length to generate 2.9 possessions per-game from offensive rebounds (3rd). Showing impressive versatility, 26% of Whiteside’s shot were jumpers, the top mark in our sample. Making 40% of those shots and finishing at a highly respective 64.1% clip, Whiteside is one of the most unique talents in this draft. His ability to score from the outside at his height is incredible, he was one of the most impressive shot blockers in the NCAA last season, and shows the potential to score in multiple situations.
    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...ter-Crop-3507/

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    Rather resign a 23 year old athletic center that is more NBA ready and use the 20th pick on a wing to compete with Hairston and Gee for a spot in the rotation.

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    Rather resign a 23 year old athletic center that is more NBA ready and use the 20th pick on a wing to compete with Hairston and Gee for a spot in the rotation.
    Nothing wrong with drafting a big and re-signing Ian. If there is no adequete wing player available at #20 that means a big can be had for cheap and you develop this player for when TD and mcdyess move on.

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    Nothing wrong with drafting a big and re-signing Ian. If there is no adequete wing player available at #20 that means a big can be had for cheap and you develop this player for when TD and mcdyess move on.

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    Nothing wrong with drafting a big and re-signing Ian. If there is no adequete wing player available at #20 that means a big can be had for cheap and you develop this player for when TD and mcdyess move on.
    Paying a 7th big guaranteed first round money is pretty foolish(don't forget the tax dollars)...especially with the gaping hole at SF.

    If the Spurs feel that someone like Whiteside has enough upside to take a chance on at 20 then that so be it(even though I don't agree), but re-signing Ian and drafting a big is essentially wasting the pick.

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    Paying a 7th big guaranteed first round money is pretty foolish(don't forget the tax dollars)...especially with the gaping hole at SF.

    If the Spurs feel that someone like Whiteside has enough upside to take a chance on at 20 then that so be it(even though I don't agree), but re-signing Ian and drafting a big is essentially wasting the pick.
    Yeah, I don't think that the Spurs would draft a shot-blocking big at #20 and then turn around and re-sign Ian. I actually don't have much hope for Ian re-signing, which is why I think it's possible they draft a F/C at #20.

    My first preference, like yours, is for the Spurs to go with a SF in the first, but his potential may be too good to pass up.

    Question: Have the Spurs had him in for a workout, or has the only exposure to him been at the combine?

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    I just looked on the main draft discussion thread and he's not listed as someone the Spurs have worked out or even interviewed. I guess that means any ties to the Spurs' pick at #20 is pure speculation.

    The only "shot blocker" they have had in for a workout is Jarvis Varnado. He certainly doesn't have the measureables of Whiteside, but the shot-blocking productivity is there.

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    I reeeeally hope Varnado drops to our second rounder....

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    Not likely, if he fall to the second round I see NY picking him with one of thier 2 first rounders.
    Yeah, it's wishful thinking on my part really.

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    Not likely, if he fall to the second round I see NY picking him with one of thier 2 first rounders.
    New York? Doesn't really seem like a D'Antoni player.

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    A long athletic big who can beat guys down the floor and finish around the rim on the break plus is a great rebounder and shot blocker, hes a perfect fit.
    D'Antoni doesn't give a about blocked shots or any other aspect of defense. If this kid doesn't have a consistant 16-18 foot jumper, he'll never see the floor. All five positions of a D'Antoni offense have to be able to either create or shoot.

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