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I always wondered how all of you had so many posts.
I always wondered how all of you had so many posts.
NJ is under the cap, and aren't subject to the 125% salary rules. They can take back much more salary than they send out.
Parker for the 3rd and Harris? That is the one that I'm talking about. IMO Parker for the third is a stretch too but it is relatively possible if someone wanted to over pay for him.
I'm just amazed that people think NJ would just want to throw in Harris.. Why? Cause he didn't have a great season last year NJ wants to get rid of him and he can be had for nothing.. But Parker had a terrible season last year and his value is at an all time high?
I can see a pick between 6-10 for Parker.. But Parker isn't worth a top 5 pick and I'm sure any lotto team (which generally has a ways to go before they can become a great team and would rather have the younger talent) in the top 5 wouldn't pay that for him. 6-10 I can see.. but that's because the talent is not as great and the prospects are not as clear cut as being great.
No one is going to give you the pick that could land the next great big guy for Parker. And you sure as aren't getting them to throw Harris in with that.
i disagree with your assessment, Parker has twice the star power Harris has though he may not be twice the player. And only player in the draft not worth trading for Parker is Walls, and NJ don't have the #1 pick. Granted Harris and a #3 is a stretch, but if you throw in say Blair it evens it out.
I think you undervaluing Parker as a commodity, he will up there chances to land a big time free agent or two say a Bosh or maybe Stodemire and a second tier guy like a Johnson. Plus the international market value of the entire team goes up. It may be a move on NJ part to build a team that could compete right now. They have to give up something to get something and Harris is the only player who's salary can make the trade work, plus him and Parker play the same position. And last of all if they are going to try and make a run for two other free agents the last thing they want is the salary of #3 pick on the books. They are the only team trading Parker to make sense to me, cause it could be mutally beneficial to both teams and all the players would probably be happy as well.
"clear cut at being great" in the last five years name ten out of the twenty five lottery players that turned out to be better than Parker.
Last edited by 4lifecowboy; 06-12-2010 at 07:53 AM.
I went around and round with another poster who started a thread suggesting this. There is no way New Jersey gives up the #3 and Harris for Parker alone. We would have to throw in our #20 and maybe Hill or Blair to get the deal done.
Wow that is taking one phrase completely out of context. Please reread what I stated. I said "6-10 I can see.. but that's because the talent is not as great and the prospects are not as clear cut as being great."
I did not say that anything was clear cut at being great.
But anyways.. I will answer what you wish.. I'll name just those in the first round.
Granger, Durrant, Roy, Rondo, Westbrook, Rose, Lopez, Bogut, Deron, Chris Paul.
All ten of those I would take over Parker.. either because I think they are just as good right now and younger, they are just as good and are big guys, or they are better then him already.
And again.. Why does NJ rather want Parker and the 20th and Blair (I'll take the better trade mentioned.. Parker for Harris and the 3rd is beyond silly) instead of Harris and Favors? Seriously? They can add the free agents without trading for Parker.. and Parker is not some huge star that people on here are saying NJ would want him because.
I'll answer that for you.. They don't need the trade to be able to sign those players that were mentioned. Parker had a crap ass year last year so that right their lowers his trade value (obviously this doesn't work both ways in this forum otherwise you would see that it is stupid to think Parker is going for top value after a bad year and Harris is going for a dollar deal). Harris is younger.. The trade off between a good harris and parker is marginal.. The 20the pick in a draft is pretty much .. sure you get some good ones but chances are it's . And Blair has no ACLs.. Favors does and is a of alot younger with a of alot more potential.
Lastly.. Parker doesn't sell tickets for NJ.. The hype of a high draft pick does.
BTW there has been much more lottery players in the last 5 years then 25. The lotto is more then just picks 1-5... Actually I really don't get your question. Besides that it is formed from a statement I didn't make I can't tell if you are saying name 10 of the 25 players total that are better than Parker that were drafted in the lotto.. or name 10 players better than parker drafted from the 25 total Lotto players in the last 5 years.
First off i am aware that the lottery is more than the top 5 pick of the draft, i was using the first five as a point of reference for the sake of my point (drafting is a crap shoot, just cause you are picked in the "lottery" dont mean you are going to be a good. the statistics prove the contrary) Just because Parker had a bad year (due to injury) doesn't deflate is value he is a top 5 point guard in league right now a proven scorer, all-star, champion, and a finals MVP. You can try to discount that all you want but that is is resume and there are few in the league that can match it, plus he is still in his prime.
Sorry. I was hoping you did.. but it's hard to understand what someone is asking when they formulate a question off of something that you didn't say. Once again I never said a top 5 player is a sure thing. I would figure anyone that would notice I'm a piston fan would realize that I don't believe such a thing (DARKO)
Still curious to hear how Harris and Favors (I'm guessing you would take him or Cousins) is an equal exchange to NJ for Parker and Blair. I really don't see how that makes them better. I would much rather have Harris, Favors, Lopez, FA, FA than Parker Blair, Lopez, FA, FA.. I would also put money on it that anyone else looking outside would too.
First off if you keep the #3 pick (which is a risk) they couldn't sign two free agents, and why would they when they would be banking that the pick is a large piece to their plans? I thought i already explain what NJ thinking would have to be to make this move. Win now. So it would be more like Harris, Favors, Lopez, free agent( and who would want to come to that unless for money) VS Parker, Lopez, FA (say Bosh), and FA (say J.Johnson) and Blair to boot. That would be the more accurate scenerio IMO. My assumption has been all along that NJ is the one that made the proposal.
It amazes me the difference a year makes. In 2009 parker was easily a top 3 point guard and was monstrous in the playoffs. One injury plagued season and now you're treating it like it's a wash between him and Harris?..
It amazes me the difference a year makes. In 2009 parker was easily a top 3 point guard and was monstrous in the playoffs. One injury plagued season and now you're treating it like it's a wash between him and Harris?..
Obviously its not a wash between Parker and Harris but they are closer then you think. And adding the #3 pick in the draft on top of it is way overpaying for Parker. The one thing this league teaches ou is to not live in the past. So when people say he is a Finals MVP...yeah it was a few years ago. It'd be like me saying...hey Shaq is a Finals 3 time MVP. But yet I see Spurs fans saying he's not worth the MLE. lol
Wow at even comparing tp to Harris. Wow.
And I'm curious to hear how Parker < Harris and Favors (because by logic, if Parker and Blair < Favors and Harris, that means Parker < Favors and Harris). Go ahead, this ought to be good.
Red - And I'm amazed at how you come to think that Harris' body of work > than Parkers' body of work outside of last year. Your statement implies that they had relatively equal value before their respective injury plagued seasons. Laughable
Blue - Depends on how risk averse the new Nets owner is. If he's anything like other Russian owners, he'll spend like a drunken sailor to get his team to the top. Initially though, I'd think he'd opt to go with known quan ies until he familiarizes himself with the draft process and prospects therein.
Last edited by Agloco; 06-12-2010 at 08:58 PM.
Ok first off NJ has 33.6 million to use in FA market. They can sign two top free agents whether or not they trade just give away the number 3 pick.
Last question. You know if you think about it that's pretty much a straight up stupid question. So if you turn that question around then I take it everyone in here saying they would trade Parker for Harris and the 3rd pick is trying to get less value for Parker than what you guys seem to collectively agree he can command? If you can't figure out for yourself why Harris and Favors would mean more to a team that won, what like 12 or so games last season, than just having Tony Parker than what ever I guess.
No point. You guys are right... You can get the third pick for Blair and Hill... Throw them Parker and you can get Harris and the 3rd saying you want it.. I'm sure you would have to be talked into it, though
Hey while your at it you should trade Duncan for Tyrek Evans and Sacs first pick this year along with three unprotected firsts.. That dude was Finals MVP, MVP.. all that .
Manu is foreign.. perhaps you can get NJ next year unprotected for him while your at it.. he has star power.
Jefferson has to be worth at least a mid lotto pick.. that guy was an allstar and two seasons removed from about 20 points a game.. he also was a main clog on a two straight finals team.
Oh actually he's an expiring contract.. you guys should hold on to that till the deadline.. you might be able to swing that for someone like Steve Nash at the trade deadline.
Red - It's a question of what team is willing to give up what. NJ seems more likely to part with said pick, hence the speculation surrounding it.
Blue -
You had some salient points, now you're just being dumb.
Why stop at the 3rd pick.. clearly Wash would rather have a finals mvp instead of a prospect like Wall.. Parker is Finals MVP.. Wall could turn out or could not... Why stop at the third pick?
I give you a 3/10 for trolling.
Go grab a beer bud (you could probably use a six pack.....), this ain't happening anyway. It's all just fun speculation.Red - It's a question of what team is willing to give up what. NJ seems more likely to part with said pick, hence the speculation surrounding it.
Blue -
Blue.. minus the duncan one is all stuff that I have read in you forums.. Though I threw nash in there because I couldn't really think of anyone else.. if you read the first post in the thread you would realize that I didn't just come up with that off the top of my head.
Like I said reverse your question. If Parker is not less than Harris and the third what exactly is he worth to you? That answer in its self should be much more entertaining than my answer to that question in reverse.
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