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  1. #401
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    Excellent point. I believe that trades made before June 30th use the 2009-10 salary numbers. So the second trade you proposed probably doesn't work as a draft day deal. I think you were right to begin with and I may have been talking out of my....

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    Only works post-July 1st. That trade, I mean. So, what the Nets could do, is to draft Favors or Cousins, under the promise of both the Miami Heat and the Spurs. The Spurs would then have to draft for the Heat, then consummate the deal on July 1st. But for reasons stated above, the Nets would never do this deal.

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    In all honesty that Russian guy likes Tony Parker and his goal is to bring in really exciting players. Small forward is the position that franchise needs to fill and I heard from a very reliable Nets source that the new owner is looking to bring exciting players in(and he really like Rudy Gay as a plan B). Tony Parker is better than Davin Harris and is better than a lot of players they can get for max contracts right now.

    So the perfect Nets' off-season would be:
    Trade for Tony Parker
    Sign LeBron James
    Use the rest of that money to bring in a back up point guard (Chris Duhon maybe?) and a solid power forward(Al Harrington, Udonis, Warrick).

    A big 3 of Tony, LeBron and Lopez is better than anything leBron has had in Cleveland. And the Nets were not that terrible this year, they just didn't have the player to close out games (basically a lot of role players). Both LeBron and TP can do that.
    That's a turrible idea. Do you really think the Miami Heat with 3 max or close to max FAs would be a more alluring team for LeBron to go to than the New Jersey Nets? Dwyane Wade is easily a better player than both Parker and Lopez combined.

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    How about something like this for the offseason:

    Trade #1

    Spurs trade TP/Blair to NJ for Harris/T. Williams and the #3 pick

    Draft:

    Draft with the #3- D. Favors
    Draft with the #20- Best Big Available

    Trade #2

    Spurs trade RJ/McDyess/Hairston/Gee/Jerrels/Favors to Philly for Iggy/Kapono/and Sign&Trade Elson/2011 1st


    Free Agency:

    Sign Splitter with most of MLE
    Use LLE for Matt Barnes
    Resign Bonner

    PG: Harris/Hill/Temple
    SG: Hill/Manu/Williams
    SF: Iggy/Kapono/Barnes
    PF: Duncan/Bonner/20th
    C: Splitter/Elson/20th

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    Avery Johnson is going to be the coach for the Nets so I wonder how that affects the potential Devin Harris and Tony Parker trade scenarios.

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    Would Minnesota go for this:

    TP/Blair/#20 for Gomes/Sessions/Love/#4

    That Syracuse kid is sick

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    Avery is the new head coach of the Nets!

    I guess this puts a damper on all trade speculations involving Devin Harris.
    (I mean, he is pretty much his product. don't know if they had troubles before Harris was traded though)

    pure speculation on my side: reportedly Dirk is leaning towards an opt out. hm. can anyone see a scenario with Dirk going to NJ to reunite with Avery? when this decisions are made, the draft will be done.
    imagine this scenario: Sixers pick Favors, so Nets get Turner. they sign Dirk, who would form a scary twin tower with Lopez.
    Harris-Lee-Turner-Dirk-Lopez
    bench: Williams-Yi-CDR
    that's not bad.
    and they should still have some money for one or two quality veterans. (about 6-8 million, depending if Dirk takes max or slightly less). Haslem? Josh Howard?? Salmons?

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    Wasn't Dirk one of the ones complaining about AJ being too hard on them?

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    you may be right. I don't remember exactly. I guess he complained about to little movement and running in the game. maybe Dirk wasn't that good an idea. on the other hand, it was Avery who finally made him the MVP.

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    I know it's fun to talk about big trades but I think that Spurs won't do some big moves this summer. The team is well balanced and trades done will be lateral ones.

    The only trade I can see Spurs doing is packaging their first round pick with a future one to move up of a few spots and draft a SF they really like.

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    If the Spurs can package a trade of Blair and the D-Leaguers for another pick (maybe Memphis would entertain at the 12 if we include next years 1st), I say do it.

    Blair is a great player, I love his energy, his skill set and that we stole him in the 2nd.

    But the fact is that he is undersized for his position and does not have an outside touch. I know that is something that can be developed, but if there is a guy that can provide what he provides and is 6' 10'' or taller, then that is who we need on our team.

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    ^ Worst idea ever.

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    Interesting...we'll see if this happens.

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    For the record, I've never advocated trading Tony Parker. However, if the Spurs FO were so inclined, I wonder if this could play into the equation:

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/trueho...cleaning-house

    Rather, Colangelo is shopping Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack with an eye toward making trades before July 1.
    The same source told me that a Turkoglu trade was already in the works and could happen by the draft. While the source was confident something would happen, the source didn't disclose the potential destination(s). The Calderon and Jack discussions are moving more slowly, but over the past few days the Raptors have been pressing forward on those fronts as well.
    At the same time, the Raptors appear to be closing in on a trade for an additional first-round pick. Colangelo has called every team with multiple picks looking for something in the 20s, according to sources.

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    Spurs have a pick in the 20s, and with Parker could get Jack and/or Calderon. I doubt RJ's contract could get it done. Thoughts from everyone?

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    For the record, I've never advocated trading Tony Parker. However, if the Spurs FO were so inclined, I wonder if this could play into the equation:

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/trueho...cleaning-house

    Rather, Colangelo is shopping Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack with an eye toward making trades before July 1.
    The same source told me that a Turkoglu trade was already in the works and could happen by the draft. While the source was confident something would happen, the source didn't disclose the potential destination(s). The Calderon and Jack discussions are moving more slowly, but over the past few days the Raptors have been pressing forward on those fronts as well.
    At the same time, the Raptors appear to be closing in on a trade for an additional first-round pick. Colangelo has called every team with multiple picks looking for something in the 20s, according to sources.

    ---


    Spurs have a pick in the 20s, and with Parker could get Jack and/or Calderon. I doubt RJ's contract could get it done. Thoughts from everyone?
    Who wants those turnstiles on defense on their team?

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    I was gonna ask if that trade Givony alluded to earlier happened to be Toronto acquiring another pick, but it looks like it's something separate after checking the tweets.

    I'd consider that Hedo, Belinelli, and an exchange of first-rounders for RJ after I'd seen some more movement and had a better feel of what other kind of trades could be made, but I don't see how getting rid of Parker for that package helps the Spurs now or in the immediate future.

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    Who wants those turnstiles on defense on their team?
    As I've said before, I don't necessarily advocate a lot of the news stories I post or threads I bump; I mostly post them to get discussion started. In this case, I agree that Jose Calderon will never be a great defender. Jack, however, can play some pretty solid defense at times, and has quick hands. I've always liked the idea of Jarrett Jack as a backup PG, he's very solid. Now, is that worth $5 million per year? That's harder to say.

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    As I've said before, I don't necessarily advocate a lot of the news stories I post or threads I bump; I mostly post them to get discussion started. In this case, I agree that Jose Calderon will never be a great defender. Jack, however, can play some pretty solid defense at times, and has quick hands. I've always liked the idea of Jarrett Jack as a backup PG, he's very solid. Now, is that worth $5 million per year? That's harder to say.
    Back up PGs at 5 million are not that bad. When you back up Calderon at PG for 5 million, you are absolutely terrible. Unless Chris Bosh comes along with the sign and trade package, no one is going to take those scrubs.

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    Interesting...we'll see if this happens.

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    Nothing?

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    Apparently not. Could be that his source his legit, the trade will happen, etc., but things took longer than expected. Still, putting timelines on stuff like that puts you out on a limb.

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    Apparently not. Could be that his source his legit, the trade will happen, etc., but things took longer than expected. Still, putting timelines on stuff like that puts you out on a limb.
    For sure. Putting time lines on these things is a bad way to go about imo. Too many variables.

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    Be kind... This is the dreamed up trades thread. This is the best I could do and justify both teams finding value. Clippers and their frugal owner unloading Baron's longer term contract in exchange for a younger quicker guard. Jefferson would be the best slashing forward on the team. In addition if he bombs the money comes off the books in a year. They lose Kamen but have Blake Griffin coming in to play the post. We get Kamen who is arguably a top 5 center in the league and Baron who has proven to be a good distributer and money player in the playoffs.

    Successful Trade Scenario
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    Due to San Antonio and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


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    San Antonio Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +5.5 ppg, +6.0 rpg, and +2.0 apg.

    Incoming Players Baron Davis
    6-3 PG from UCLA
    15.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 8.0 apg in 33.6 minutes Chris Kaman
    7-0 C from Central Michigan
    18.5 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 34.3 minutes Outgoing Players Richard Jefferson
    6-7 SF from Arizona
    12.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.1 minutes Tony Parker
    6-2 PG from France (Foreign)
    16.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.7 apg in 30.9 minutes



    Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/4/#ixzz0qzBZ9vv5

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    Lol Baron Davis.

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    Better assist guy, better rebounder, better steals and a better 3 point shot. Tony has speed, age and health on his side. Am I missing something else?

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    Baron is one of the most inefficient guards in NBA history..he also looks like he no longer has motivation(coming from somebody that has seen a lot of Clipper games the last 2 years), and he still has around 41 mil$ for 3 more years on his contract IIRC, which is horrible..

    Kaman is extremely overrated(IMO) and still has 2 years left..also, adding Kaman would kill the Spurs defensively..while it would add another shot blocker, it would make the frontcourt extremely slow..Duncan-Kaman is an incredibly slow combination..

    Even if Kaman is wanted, taking back Baron's contract isn't worth it..

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    Baron is one of the most inefficient guards in NBA history..he also looks like
    What came to mind when reading up to that point? C'Mon, let's get Mad Libs up in this mug!

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