General 2010 NBA Draft Discussion

[TD 21]

Can't see the Bulls giving up on Johnson and giving up a higher pick just for more cap space. The only way they'd do that is if they had an inkling that two of the big fish were going to sign their. Even then, they could probably do better than Hairston, Jerrells and a lower pick.

As for the Hawks, apparently they're okay with Johnson leaving. In this case, they'd probably go after a cheaper alternative such as Salmons, Childress, etc. Woodson told Bibby at the end of the season that Teague would get first crack at being the starter next season. Doesn't mean Drew will necessarily follow through on that, but I imagine the job will at least be open going into training camp.

[TD 21]

There's no chance Turner drops to four. The Wolves were hurt most from the draft lottery results, not the Nets. The Nets will still get a player who's a good fit for their team, whereas the Wolves won't.

Cousins isn't the type of big man they need but at the same time he'll be the best talent available at four. So if they don't pick him and he becomes a star, they'll be vilified and if they do pick him they'll be vilified, similar to how they were last year for drafting too many point guards.

Johnson, like Brewer, is not a shooting guard, which is what the Wolves need more than anything. They should try to package their picks to move up to second or third, but short of that they should find a team that's sold on Cousins (Pistons potentially) and acquire multiple assets in order to give up the pick. Unless the Wolves think Johnson is better than what they can get for Cousins, that is.

[mountainballer]

in another thread one of you guys mentioned that Grizzlies are a good trade partner for either trade down, or trade up scenarios. (sorry don't remember who wrote it and where).
first of, I totally agree.
starting point of my thought was, that in fact Elli0t Williams is their main target. (they can use him well behind Mayo and Conley, gives security if Brewer leaves, hometown kid, local college star)
if they want Williams, they face a little dilemma. #12 is a reach. #25 might very well be to late. (teams like Spurs 20, Blazers 22 and Wolves 23 could use him and like him).
a trade with Spurs seems logical, especially with the Spurs likely looking for a player who should be there at #12 but not at #20. (Henry, George, Babbitt). trade would cost the next years 1st rounder plus likely some cash.
good deal for both, if grizzlies in fact want Williams.

[AFBlue]

in another thread one of you guys mentioned that Grizzlies are a good trade partner for either trade down, or trade up scenarios. (sorry don't remember who wrote it and where).
first of, I totally agree.
starting point of my thought was, that in fact Elli0t Williams is their main target. (they can use him well behind Mayo and Conley, gives security if Brewer leaves, hometown kid, local college star)
if they want Williams, they face a little dilemma. #12 is a reach. #25 might very well be to late. (teams like Spurs 20, Blazers 22 and Wolves 23 could use him and like him).
a trade with Spurs seems logical, especially with the Spurs likely looking for a player who should be there at #12 but not at #20. (Henry, George, Babbitt). trade would cost the next years 1st rounder plus likely some cash.
good deal for both, if grizzlies in fact want Williams.

I said it in the Pondexter thread...

Of those, the Grizzlies remain the most intriguing. They could be trade partners up (#12 for #20 and future first) or back (#20 and #49 for #25 and #28).

My thought posting there was that the Grizzlies are realistic trade partners even if a target of the Spurs is not around at the #12 pick. I'm not sure Pondexter is a guy they're targeting if they decide to move back instead of up, but it makes some sense.

Either way it shakes out, I think there's a pretty good chance E. Williams is the selection for the Spurs on draft night...whether he stays or goes is another matter.

Who do you think they would target if they decided to tade back for multiple picks at the bottom of the first?

[mountainballer]

Who do you think they would target if they decided to tade back for multiple picks at the bottom of the first?

I think it is pretty noticeable that they worked out almost only either combo guards and SFs from the projected 1st rounders.
so, if they get two late 1st rounders, it would make some sense to pick one from either group. at 25 and 28 this could be like Pondexter plus Jones (this would be my favorite scenario then), or maybe Hobson plus Warren. if James drops (which some mocks project), he would be a very nice pick that late. maybe even Bradley drops. (don't think so). for Longhorn and Spurs fans (heard there are some) it would be a nice draft if they end up with Bradley and James plus Pittman at #49.
(ok this is really unlikley. just saying)

[lotr1trekkie]

There is no #20 who is going to impact the Spurs this year. Trade TP---dumbasses. Unless your getting Bosh or Amare it makes no sense. Tim has a 2 year window. We don't have time to " develope" players. Signing Tiaggo is the first domino. If he balks again then all bets are off. Spurs should keep the big 3 together until Timmy calls it off.
Tony has a super-rich wife with ties to SA and a mansion in LA. He's not going east. He will not sign. He will become a FA and then decide between the Clippers or Lakers.

[Ditty]

i thought it was at 7pm but i beleive its 6 now but i dont care about the top 5 everyone know whos going to go those picks and it takes a hour to do 5 picks spurs will probaly pick around 730 close to 8

[Bruno]

A lot of international players have withdrawn from the draft: Aguilar, Benzing, Bogdanovic, Jackson, Diot, Kuzminskas, Rabaseda...

For the moment, I've seen only 3 international players in: Séraphin, Heurtel and Ryan Richards.

It looks like Spurs won't have a lot of good draft and stash options at #49.

[Blackjack]

I guess they could take a good collegiate athlete that's a little rough around the edges (maybe in need of a positional change) and work a deal to send him overseas ala Gist; or they could just use it in a package to move up or get some cash.

[Bruno]

Even if the international pool of player is thin, there should still have a couple of international players available at #49.

Spurs also could go with a raw bigman with some upside, sign him as the 6th PF/C and work with him in Austin during the whole year. Latavious Williams, Samardo Samuels, Jarvis Varnado, Dwayne Collins, Charles Garcia or Ryan Richards could be good candidates to fit that spot.

[Blackjack]

Where's your thinking with Ian, do you think he's still in the picture if they both get Tiago over and draft a Big to place on the Toros?

[Bruno]

Where's your thinking with Ian, do you think he's still in the picture if they both get Tiago over and draft a Big to place on the Toros?

I think it could work. Dice will retire in 2011 and Duncan should retire in 2012. There will have some playing time available at PF/C in the future.

However, if Spurs go with a bigman at #20, I think it's the end of Mahinmi with Spurs.

[mountainballer]

just read a rumor from a twitter on hoopshype reporting that Denver tries to acquire a lottery pick and offers Ty Lawson.
so they could very well become a compe or for picks the Spurs are targeting.
like the #12 from the Grizzlies. the Grizzlies might be intrigued by Lawson,(likely the Nuggets need to add some teaser). Raptors might also be interested, considering they have put Calderon and Jack on the market.

[Bruno]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...blaze-of-glory

Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard may be fighting for his job, but it hasn't stopped him from being aggressive in trade talks and draft discussions.

Two league sources told ESPN.com that the Blazers (who pick at No. 22) have been very active in trade discussions. Specifically, the team has been hunting for a pick in the mid-first round -- somewhere between 16 and 19. They appear to be trying to move ahead of the San Antonio Spurs, who pick 20.

Who is their target? According to sources, the Blazers like several players including Damion James, Daniel Orton and Solomon Alabi. They also like international big man Kevin Seraphin from France. The concern in Portland is that the players they're targeting might all be gone before the 22nd pick.

The obsession continue...

[Blackjack]

Naturally. But like you astutely pointed out:



Dem Spurs be tricky.

[Mr. Body]

According to sources, the Blazers like several players including Damion James, Daniel Orton and Solomon Alabi. They also like international big man Kevin Seraphin from France.

Wow, jumping ahead for those players?

[mountainballer]

Wow, jumping ahead for those players?

nonsense report IMO. (not the trade up, the players they mentioned as targets)

I could definitely see them target Elli0t Williams. then it is clear why they want to leapfrog the Spurs, if they believe in the rumors the Spurs pick Williams.
Williams makes a lot of sense for them, considering Fernandez wants out. with Roy handling the ball mostly, a super versatile guard, who can defend well the 1 and 2 (like Williams does) would be the perfect compliment for Roy and could also fit nice alongside Bayless.

[Chieflion]

nonsense report IMO. (not the trade up, the players they mentioned as targets)

I could definitely see them target Elli0t Williams. then it is clear why they want to leapfrog the Spurs, if they believe in the rumors the Spurs pick Williams.
Williams makes a lot of sense for them, considering Fernandez wants out. with Roy handling the ball mostly, a super versatile guard, who can defend well the 1 and 2 (like Williams does) would be the perfect compliment for Roy and could also fit nice alongside Bayless.

mountainballer, thinking like he is the Blazers' GM already.

[mountainballer]

mountainballer, thinking like he is the Blazers' GM already.

damn. caught me. yeah you are right. I took a quick look at the Blazers roster and thought who they could use well from the players in their range. and it was neither Alabi, James, Orton. it was Bradley, Jones and Williams.

[Bruno]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

[Libri]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

I can see the Spurs picking Bjelica or Prestes. Their agent is Herb Rudoy, who also represents Manu and Splitter.

[Mel_13]

I can see the Spurs picking Bjelica or Prestes. Their agent is Herb Rudoy, who also represents Manu and Splitter.

That's an interesting tidbit there about Manu and Splitter having the same agent.

[wildbill2u]

My draft and stash ranking for Spurs at #49:

1: Miroslav Raduljica
2: Nemanja Bjelica
3: Tyler Smith
4: Alexey Shved
5: Marko Kesselj
6: Paulao Prestes

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.

[dc_spursfan]

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.

Normally, yes they use their first round pick to draft and stash. However there is two reasons why it is doubtful they would stash a 1st rounder this time.

1) The Spurs normally don't get to draft this high. The Spurs are in a nice draft position to either trade up or sit back and take the best player left.

2) In most years the Spurs roster is already set before the draft even starts. This year Temple(D-League) Mason, Bogans, Bonner, Ian, and Hairston could all be gone. Also, Parker and Jefferson be could traded and if not it is almost a lock that RJ won't be back after next season.

The Spurs must draft a player that can play this season.

[Bruno]

I must be missing something. Don't the Spurs usually use their first round pick for the "draft and stash" in order to save money on untested talent.

Since they're in the luxury tax already, I could see them doing this with Seraphin if he's still there at 20 in order to save guaranteed money.

Not really...
First round picks drafted and stashed by Spurs: Mahinmi and Splitter.
Second round picks drafted and stashed by Spurs: Giricek, Ginobili, Javtokas, Scola, Karaulov, Sanikidze, De Colo and Gist.

The idea behind "draft and stash" second round pick is that players available in that area aren't very good. If you go with a college player, he has a good chance to be waived in his first year and it's a wasted pick. If you go with an international player, you can hope that he develop into a legit player after some years in Europe.

The best example of that is last year with Spurs. Spurs go with McClintock at #51 and waive him even before the training camp. Spurs go with De Colo at #53. He has had a great year in Europe and if he continues his development next year, he could turn into an interesting player for Spurs.