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Ok so explain to us why the teammates sucked the first half? And should Kobe have continued passing to them like he did in Game 7 of the Sun series in 2006? Or should he take over like he did when he went 7-9 in the 3rd? Please enlighten us.
So is Kobe going to throw Kupchak under the bus if they dont win the le?
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Ok so explain to us why the teammates sucked the first half? And should Kobe have continued passing to them like he did in Game 7 of the Sun series in 2006? Or should he take over like he did when he went 7-9 in the 3rd? Please enlighten us.
Why do you bother, MACHINE? They're not interested in a debate, they only want to bust balls. Don't give 'em the satisfaction of discussion. Bust their balls back.
Gasol is a great second fiddle. He can't be the prime player ala Timmy Duncan.
good point..alot of s in this neck of the wood.
i'm not saying Kobe is all in the wrong. did they need him to score? yes. but he was not going to makie some of those shots. no chance. on those he should've passed. he didn't regulate himself.
Kobe's bad shot selected in that quarter led to easy buckets on the other end. watch the damn game. most of his shots were long and they were able to get out and run and not let LA's defense get established. Kobe could've prevented that from happening by giving it to Gasol in the post instead of taking some those impossible shots. Kobe in teh presser talked about the bad D in that quarter. he can thank himself for letting Boston get and run and score more easily.
Exactly. The breaking point for them was the '09 ringage. Kobe got straightened out and there wasn't a thing they could do about it. And they knew it.
when was the last time Gasol scored in the post 1v1? He had 12 shot attempts....5 he made.....how many of those were put backs from misses and how many were jumpers? Since you watched the DAMN GAME, please let us know.
Kobe' shots were bad shots. some of those had absolutely no chance. giving it to Gasol in the post for potentially an easier score would've been smarter. i don't know how you can't agree with me.
once again....when was the last time you've seen Gasol score in the post this series?
how has he reacted?
Hold up..did you just say we woulda missed the 08 playoffs completely?
You could not be more wrong.
You can't compare 07 to last night games, they have nothing in common.
I am going to take a step back. In the context of last nights game I do not think what Kobe did was wrong, it was however part of a larger endemic flaw in Kobe's game.
Last night Kobe had to shoot nearly every shot in the third quarter to keep his team in the game. His team mates were playing poorly and showing little to no heart. It was the only possible solution. However, they lost because Kobe's team mates KNOW WHO HE IS.
When Kobe puts on his leader face, passes the rock and looks all buddy-buddy it is simply a facade. He is using this persona as a means to an ends. His deep mistrust and disrespect of his team mates is being temporarily masked. That is why there is difference between Kobe taking over a game and JOrdan taking over a game. When Kobe takes over a game it is simple a re-assertion of his true self. He is taking off the mask. When Jordan took over a game he was adjusting and reading a situation. Jordan had the capability of re-adjusting within the game. Kobe cant do this.
When Kobe goes into this "chucker" mode his team mates check out of the game. When other great players go into this mode it often ELEVATES the level of play of their team mates. They become inspired. The Lakers only become defeated.
Why you O & 42 so & so, you.
Cully is the king of the empty slogan. That was a funny comment coming from him.
Lakers were the 1st seed.
You got a f'in' Award, Phi? This is pure horse . I'll be a monkey's uncle.
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lakers were not 1st seed FYI.....after acquiring gasol lakers went 25-4 in the last 29 games securing the 1st place.....
It's a logical point from a numbers perspective. It could very well be wrong, but there's some basis for that belief. Yes, at one point prior to the Gasol trade LA was in 1st place, but assuming Bynum + Ariza never came back and they didn't make any other trades, it woulda been awfully close.
Golden State won 48 games as the 9 seed and LA won 57 games, so it's a 9 game difference. The question is whether or not Gasol's presence on LA the last 36 games of the season made a 9 game difference.
LA had a 10 game stretch in between Bynum's injury and the Gasol trade. During this stretch, they went 5-5. Based off that and how bad LA had always been with Kwame starting at C, it's a safe assumption they're roughly a .500 team in 08 without Gasol or Bynum.
Going into Gasol's debut with LA, they were at 30-16. The rest of the way they went 27-9. Lets say instead of 27-9 they go 18-18, that puts them in a tie for 8th place with Golden State.
If one wants to fact check anything I said:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...008_games.html
January 14, 2008, The Lakers were 26-11. Two weeks later, they picked up Gasol for Kwame.lakers were not 1st seed FYI.....after acquiring gasol lakers went 25-4 in the last 29 games securing the 1st place.....
Please correct me if my FACTS are wrong.
good point, but its null since his belief was that the Lakers were in 7th place when Bynum got injured.
I understand, i was just refering to your point that the Lakers were in 7th seed, before Gasol showed up.
fair enough
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