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You are completely wrong on the injury take.
We will see but if you look at the 2 players there is no reason to think that Tiago wouldn't average 15/10 during the prime of his careerOkafor isn't the issue here, it's his contract. Do you believe that Splitter will also average 13/10/2 over his NBA tenure? I don't see it.
I also don't see RJ being a valuable contributor going forward. He's gotta be moved, period.
At the NBA level, this is straight up false. Splitter hasn't played a minute of NBA ball while Okafor has averaged 13/10/2 over his career. That's a double double for those not paying attention. I don't see Splitter doing that.
Shooting they are about the same, low post scoring Splitter is better, pick and roll offense Splitter is better, rebounding slight edge to Okafor, defense about the same with Okafor having edge as weakside shot blocker - looking at Okafor coming out of college was overrated as shot blocker - Splitter athletically is very similar to the Gasol brothers who aren't labeled as shot blockers but average the same amount of blocks as Okafor
And on that note M. Gasol basically put up Okafor numbers his 1st 2 years with good improvement from year 1 to year 2 - pretty much what I would expect from Splitter with possible exception of scoring (as his opportunities may be limited, depending on how Pop uses hime)
Splitter's biggest challenge in his rookie year will be dependable defensive rotations and staying out of foul trouble
You are completely wrong on the injury take.
Well staying at a steady 13 10 2 with these "injuries" while not missing much time is ok with me. 3 years in a row playing every game.......what an injury bug he must have while keeping up those averages.
The best big in Europe? Ok and? What does that mean for us? He is not going to get you 13 10 2 over his career.
We just got bounced out of the PO with a broom so thats why we cant work with what we have or have your "faith"....and we shouldnt. We dont have a team capable of winning a ring as is. Is Okafor overpriced? Yes. Undersized at 6 '10? No. Again as stated earlier, he is not perennially injured....and that middling success he has had is exactly what we need.
I am not saying lets do this trade, because it honestly wont happen. I am just saying Tiago is probably not going to fix our frontcourt problems. I advocate any moves necessary to kill two birds with one ugly ing stone.
Not to mention learning the entire NBA game. During the prime of his career? Isnt He 25 already? TD wont even be here when Tiago hits his peak. So yeah, maybe Tiago gets to average 15/10 on a non-playoff team. Good job with that one.
There is no doubt that we have one proven player with proven production versus a guy who has never done it in the NBA - it just comes down to scouting the two guys which is never an exact science but if you took 10 of the better scouts in the NBA and had them look at the two players today - 8 out of ten would conclude that Tiago is the better player and had a higher ceiling - not by a long shot but I think its pretty conclusive.
As far as learning the "entire" NBA game it is still basketball - the two best comps in the league (in terms of overall skill set and exp in Europe previous to NBA) are M Gasol and Scola - Gasol put up 12 and 7.5 in 30 mins rookie year and Scola put up 10 and 6.5 in 25 minutes and they did it shooting well over 50% from field not as volume shooters on bad teams.
I have no problem with Okafor and he is a very solid player - but I wouldn't do such a deal if it is even plausible if it meant giving up Splitter or Blair - I think winning another championship before TD retires realistically is a long shot - so I wouldn't give up young, CHEAP, high potential big guys for a solid, slightly overpaid veteran
I do understand what you are saying, but I dont believe it to be anywhere near conclusive. It is hard to compare a proven commodity to an unproven one. Also, the NBA is by far more compe ive. Being the MVP of the Euro League is like being the smartest person on the short bus. Well,...maybe not that far, but there is a huge difference. We also dont know how "cheap" he is going to be do we? We are not certain if he even wants to come over, let alone for the MLE, which is all we have to offer. Also, nowhere in this discussion, that i saw anyways, did we bring up getting rid of Blair. Okafor is only 2 years older than Splitter isnt he? Long shot or not, another ring is the goal at the moment. I have not seen a single thing as of yet, that would indicate a blow up. So for the time being we are in a win now mode. Again, I am not trying to push a long shot trade to bring DC/Okafor,....I am simply trying to advocate a move to where we can bring in enough quality talent to contend with the elite teams.
Okafor hasn't missed a single game in 3 seasons.
In the long run Splitter might be better, but right now Okafur is better for us. He allows us to put a big strong body next to Timmy that can score, defend, and rebound. He may not be the franchise player we want, but he would be the best player we ever put next to Timmy since five-O left.
Getting both him and Collins would solidify both our backcourt and our front court.
For those two I would be willing to trade both Richard Jefferson and our 1st round selection.
Bringing both him an Splitter over would put us right up there with the Lakers as far as our front court goes. Not to mention Parker, Hill Collison, and Manu would make our backcourt pretty salty.
Splitter is the best big realistically available for us. Even if it takes over 5 millions to bring him.
I just hope that if he asks for this much we also ask for a severe team option after two years. I mean, 2 years guaranteed at 10 millions, but then a 3 years 15 millions team option after that.
Can't structure a contract that way.
If we can unload RJ's contract and get Okafor + DC, I think we do it. Pending the filler that we may/may not have to include (if its GH3 no), what we get in return for RJ's expiring is a shot blocker who gives us size to help out Tim and a PG we can shop around or plug into the system, since he is a more capable passer than TP. Then we can move GH3 to SG full time. Yes we would be in salary trouble for a couple seasons but when Tim leaves we will be shopping Okafor's contract anyway.
unrealistic
not to mention that after the lockout, no one will be making that money on a new contract..
yup yup....
I know, I know... I talked out my ass on that one, then doubled down for no good reason. Alcohol is a of a drug.
Anyway, consider this my crow dinner.
Totally agree - RJ + 20th is no brainer, but NO will most likely want one more peice if it could be future draft pick or rights to European that is not Splitter then you pull the trigger - if they want Hill no - Blair (maybe but I would lean to no) It is tough to judge Blair's ceiling and he is very cheap for capable production
If a trade like this went through then we either pickup SF for vet min or leftover MLE if there is any OR does this move lead to TP trade for a SF as our front court would be stacked (TD, Splitter, Okafor, McDyess, Blair)
Good man.
I so loved this idea that has faded away. Give me a RUMOR damnit!
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