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    Good point. I failed to mention Dragic. That was a nice move.

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    The difference between all those other instances and Amare's situation is Amare wants a max deal. Probably one thing Sarver would hesitate on. Who knows. Maybe it was just Kerr's contract and announcing. I find that a bit hard to believe.

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    It's anyone's guess IMO. Sarver has a track record of always caving for what D'antoni or Kerr tell him to do. That Nash extension raised a lot of eyebrows, but Sarver gave it. Paying Goran Dragic (a 2nd round pick) top 15 pick money seemed odd but Kerr convinced Sarver to do it. Just my opinion but I think this has very little to do with Amare Stoudemire. We could very well be overthinking it and Kerr just wanted to return to a stress free job, but I doubt it given the sense of achievement he had after this season.
    And he seemed to really enjoy it, just watching his reactions in the stands. But some guys can't deal with living and dying with a team that way. Maybe it wore on Kerr by the end of the playoffs.

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    he lucked out? He didn't legitimately just make a good trade? He "lucked out" with Dudley and Richardson?
    Yeah. Did I stu-stu-stutter?

    That's how I saw it. He was a throw-in just like Shannon Brown was a throw-in in the Radman deal. Both turned out to be pretty good role players for their next team.

    Let me put it to you this way. If Jordan refused to include Dudley in the deal, I don't think it would have been a deal-breaker for Kerr as long as they could still get the salaries to match up.

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    I thought this was some kind of lame edited link joke. Definitely didn't expect him to bail after proving everyone wrong this season.



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    Cheapness of Sarver strikes again if he asked Kerr to take a paycut. I can understand not giving him a big ol' raise, but he did a great job retooling that team after they looked done.

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    Yeah. Did I stu-stu-stutter?

    That's how I saw it. He was a throw-in just like Shannon Brown was a throw-in in the Radman deal. Both turned out to be pretty good role players for their next team.

    Let me put it to you this way. If Jordan refused to include Dudley in the deal, I don't think it would have been a deal-breaker for Kerr as long as they could still get the salaries to match up.

    Richardson for Bell and Diaw still woulda been a good trade. Regardless, Kerr gets credit for asking for Dudley.

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    I thought this was some kind of lame edited link joke. Definitely didn't expect him to bail after proving everyone wrong this season.


    Yeah, that's definitely an "I get to keep my job" pants-cream.

    Irony.
    Last edited by Fpoonsie; 06-15-2010 at 03:33 PM.

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    Cheapness of Sarver strikes again if he asked Kerr to take a paycut. I can understand not giving him a big ol' raise, but he did a great job retooling that team after they looked done.

    He shoulda gotten a raise, but like I said it doesn't seem like this is as simple as Sarver being cheap. I could be wrong, but my guess is there's an underlying storyline.

    But I agree Kerr has done a good job retooling. This hurts.

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    I suppose he's going to replace Doug Collins on TNT.

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    I thought this was some kind of lame edited link joke. Definitely didn't expect him to bail after proving everyone wrong this season.


    Yeah, that gif symbolizes how random and odd this is.

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    People don't give a about what I think

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    Kerr, who could not be reached for comment, reportedly was asked to take a cut in salary during negotiations.
    Nevermind, this was just edited into the article. Findog was right. Sarver.

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    Richardson for Bell and Diaw still woulda been a good trade. Regardless, Kerr gets credit for asking for Dudley.
    And like I said, Jordan gets credit for being a dip .

    Didn't Kerr after trading for Shaq say something to the effect that if it didn't work out then he's an idiot? Nice foreshadowing on his part.

    Do you give Kerr credit for Alvin Gentry actually being a decent coach?

    Do you give Kerr credit for putting Phoenix's fortune on a Shaquille O'Neal gamble?

    Didn't Kerr negotiate Barbosa's $30+ million contract extension?

    Wasn't Kerr at the helm when picks that became Rajon Rondo and Rudy Fernandez (I think that was the other pick right?) were sold for money? Sarver can take some heat for being cheap, but it's also been said that Sarver would listen to Kerr and D'Antoni if they pressed hard enough.

    I just think he did as much bad if not more than good. Was he horrible? Nah, I wouldn't say that. I do think Shaq was a calculated gamble that simply didn't work out. But I just think Kerr got way too much praise for this past season when he had done limited good things prior to this season anyway. Dragic and Dudley were his best personnel moves. That isn't all that impressive.

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    Kerr departure could have dramatically negative impact on ability to re-sign Amar'e, sources say. Suns star had gained strong belief in him.

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    Didn't see that one coming.

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    And like I said, Jordan gets credit for being a dip .

    Didn't Kerr after trading for Shaq say something to the effect that if it didn't work out then he's an idiot? Nice foreshadowing on his part.
    D'antoni said countless times he wanted the trade and Kerr was hesitant. Kerr said that knowing he'd be held responsible if the trade didn't work, probably why he was hesitant.

    Do you give Kerr credit for Alvin Gentry actually being a decent coach?
    No, but I give him credit having no problem admitting Porter was a mistake.

    Do you give Kerr credit for putting Phoenix's fortune on a Shaquille O'Neal gamble?
    No I don't. He didn't want that trade, D'antoni did.

    Didn't Kerr negotiate Barbosa's $30+ million contract extension?
    Wrong again. Barbosa signed that extension summer of 06. Kerr wasn't hired as GM till Summer of 07 and didn't really take full control till the Summer of 08.

    Wasn't Kerr at the helm when picks that became Rajon Rondo and Rudy Fernandez (I think that was the other pick right?) were sold for money? Sarver can take some heat for being cheap, but it's also been said that Sarver would listen to Kerr and D'Antoni if they pressed hard enough.
    Rondo was sold the Summer of 2006 when Kerr was still a broadcaster, and since D'antoni left and Kerr took control, he's used every draft pick Phoenix had. Get your timeline straight before blaming him for bad moves.

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    And like I said, Jordan gets credit for being a dip .

    Didn't Kerr after trading for Shaq say something to the effect that if it didn't work out then he's an idiot? Nice foreshadowing on his part.

    Do you give Kerr credit for Alvin Gentry actually being a decent coach?

    Do you give Kerr credit for putting Phoenix's fortune on a Shaquille O'Neal gamble?

    Didn't Kerr negotiate Barbosa's $30+ million contract extension?

    Wasn't Kerr at the helm when picks that became Rajon Rondo and Rudy Fernandez (I think that was the other pick right?) were sold for money? Sarver can take some heat for being cheap, but it's also been said that Sarver would listen to Kerr and D'Antoni if they pressed hard enough.

    I just think he did as much bad if not more than good. Was he horrible? Nah, I wouldn't say that. I do think Shaq was a calculated gamble that simply didn't work out. But I just think Kerr got way too much praise for this past season when he had done limited good things prior to this season anyway. Dragic and Dudley were his best personnel moves. That isn't all that impressive.
    I agree with your overall assessment and conclusions, but the Barbosa, Rondo, and Fernandez decisions were made by the previous management.

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    D'antoni said countless times he wanted the trade and Kerr was hesitant. Kerr said that knowing he'd be held responsible if the trade didn't work, probably why he was hesitant.


    No, but I give him credit having no problem admitting Porter was a mistake.


    No I don't. He didn't want that trade, D'antoni did.


    Wrong again. Barbosa signed that extension summer of 06. Kerr wasn't hired as GM till Summer of 07 and didn't really take full control till the Summer of 08.


    Rondo was sold the Summer of 2006 when Kerr was still a broadcaster, and since D'antoni left and Kerr took control, he's used every draft pick Phoenix had. Get your timeline straight before blaming him for bad moves.
    I apologize for the mistakes I made. As I said earlier, I don't have all the personal knowledge of everything. Obviously, I did have the timeline wrong.

    But I don't back off from the overall point I made. Kerr didn't do an awful job, but I don't see him as doing that great of a job either. And I think he got a lot more credit than he deserved for the team over-achieving last year.

    But hey, I'm sorry for making those couple mistakes I did and putting them on Kerr.

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    Let me take a guess


    Kerr has already an agreement with another team, and will take Amare with him.

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    I agree with your overall assessment and conclusions, but the Barbosa, Rondo, and Fernandez decisions were made by the previous management.
    Correction noted as per DoK.

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    I think Kerr just isnt good enough to do "business" in the front-office life of the NBA...

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    They asked him to take a huge pay cut he said to the NO! He will go work with Philly now.

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    He does a good job during his tenure and then he's asked for a paycut? that, I would've left too.

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    It was suppose to be a secret but Ill let you guys in:

    Theyre gonna make me GM.

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