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    This is a much bigger blow to the Celts than people realize. Perkins brings alot of intangibles to the team. Sheed has to step up more than ever. Same for Baby Davis. Both have to stay out of foul trouble. God forbid if Sheldon Williams gets more burn.

    This is where having Leon Powe would help.

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    This is where having Leon Powe would help.
    I was thinking the same thing. The Celtics miss his energy.

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    This has the potential to be Boston's undoing but like some have said there's a small chance it's a blessing in disguise. There have been a lot of times in this series (and season for that matter) where Sheed just loses focus and forgets to box out, that's where it's gonna hurt them the most, boxing Gasol and Bynum out. Offensively though is where it might help them. If Sheed's jumper is on and he's enough of a threat to draw a big out of the paint, then the paint open up for Rondo and Pierce to drive compared to when Perkins' defender got to sit and clog the lane. Overall though, there's more risk than reward involved with Sheed playing 30+ minutes so it's not a good situation to be in.


    Regardless of the outcome of this series, Boston has looked like a team from the get go that really misses PJ Brown and James Posey. They don't have a single bench player who can produce on the road.

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    This has the potential to be Boston's undoing but like some have said there's a small chance it's a blessing in disguise. There have been a lot of times in this series (and season for that matter) where Sheed just loses focus and forgets to box out, that's where it's gonna hurt them the most, boxing Gasol and Bynum out. Offensively though is where it might help them. If Sheed's jumper is on and he's enough of a threat to draw a big out of the paint, then the paint open up for Rondo and Pierce to drive compared to when Perkins' defender got to sit and clog the lane. Overall though, there's more risk than reward involved with Sheed playing 30+ minutes so it's not a good situation to be in.


    Regardless of the outcome of this series, Boston has looked like a team from the get go that really misses PJ Brown and James Posey. They don't have a single bench player who can produce on the road.
    Brown,Posey,and Powe were 3 guys that brought different elements to the team. Sheldon Williams is a piece of .

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    Wrong. Perkins does a great job of sealing his man off and not allowing him to get the rebound. He may not get credited for the actual board, but anyone actually watching or paying attention can see that when he's in the game the Celtics magically start rebounding better.
    Didn't say Perkins was a bad rebounder and didn't factor at all in the rebounding. Perkins is a solid rebounder. I said as much. He's been solid rebounding the ball. He gives what you expect him to give. What I said is that in the games Boston dominated the boards, it wasn't really about Perkins but guys like Rondo and Baby also crashing the boards that made the difference. The Lakers have had the edge in rebounding the entire series. It's been more about effort that has made the difference in each game. Perkins is valuable and he's definitely a loss with his interior presence. But even with him in the game and healthy, the Lakers should have won the board war every game. KG had like one good rebounding game the entire series. PG is the only position the Celtics have a decided advantage in rebounding. The other positions either favor the Lakers or are essentially a wash between the two teams, including the center position.


    If he gets a pick set while driving to the hoop, I think that could end up being pretty effective. I think it would definitely create some issues for the Lakers defensive rotations.
    Pick-and-rolls are set out by the three point line. That offers enough room to recover against the drive. Can Rondo score off the dribble in a pick-and-roll? Sure. But what makes the pick-and-roll so dangerous like the mentioned Nelson/Carter PNR is when both offensive players are capable jumpshooters. Playing off Rondo gives the defense the ability to lay off of him, recover on his drives and/or allow help defense to also be a factor. Now if Rondo just goes crazy and starts hitting jumpers as well forcing Kobe to play up on him and run through the picks, then you start opening up the driving lanes. I don't see that happening even if Rondo hits a couple jumpers off the PNR. He'd have to make like 4-5 jumpers in a row out of it to even make Kobe and Phil consider on playing him differently. Don't think that's going to happen.

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    Brown,Posey,and Powe were 3 guys that brought different elements to the team. Sheldon Williams is a piece of .

    Well Brown and Posey were veterans who didn't curl up in the fetal position whenever Boston played on the road. Sheed isn't really affected too much by the road so how he plays in game 7 is just a mystery, last night was him being lazy since he only plays well with his back against the wall.

    In 08 if I remember correctly Perkins was a non factor in the finals and it was PJ Brown giving them the best minutes at C, and at times they even went small with KG at center and Posey at PF. The problem now is that they rely on Perkins more to be a contributor and don't have a sure thing backup like Brown.

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    prepare the vandalism fest on downtown LA already

    Congrats LA

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    HCA makes a huge difference as well.

    When Boston plays at home they are given significantly more leeway to play their hack/slash/grab style of "defense". You take that away from them and it severely limits what they are able to do to the Lakers. Especially when LA makes a commitment to attack the rim. They have to adjust otherwise they will end up seriously hampered by fouls.

    On the offensive end it's no secret that outside of Ray Allen in Game 2, nobody has had a great game in LA offensively for the Celtics. The Lakers have done a great job at limiting their points in the paint and forcing the Celtics to hit contested jumpshots. Without Perkins, I expect there to be more of the same in Game 7. Can Pierce, KG, and Allen come up huge and hit their jumpers? Maybe, but odds are one or more of them fail to do so.

    Lakers win. Probably a double digit victory like Game 6.

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    Lakers win. Probably a double digit victory like Game 6.
    I'm getting my giddy on.

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    I don't care that they're 1 win away from winning a championship, but there's some real motivation issues with this Boston team, it seems a lot like what happened to the Pistons after they won a championship in 04 by bringing it every night on defense and always playing hard and then started to go through lapses where they are disinterested.

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    Typical Suns asshole perspective:::every thing bad that happens is good somehow.

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    I don't care that they're 1 win away from winning a championship, but there's some real motivation issues with this Boston team, it seems a lot like what happened to the Pistons after they won a championship in 04 by bringing it every night on defense and always playing hard and then started to go through lapses where they are disinterested.
    Sheed effect.

    But the scary thing for the Lakers is that in this one game scenario with everything on the line, it only takes this one game, one chance that Rasheed recaptures that championship motivation and mettle and actually plays well in what should be starters minutes and helps lift Boston past the Lakers. It's unlikely to happen, but it's certainly not an impossibility.

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    Idk what the happened to you but I'd be embarrassed to go from such legendary trolling to the rants you're posting now.


    EDIT: that was for Cubby, not you Jamstone

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    Idk what the happened to you but I'd be embarrassed to go from such legendary trolling to the rants you're posting now.


    EDIT: that was for Cubby, not you Jamstone
    You're an O & 42 asshole who's out, and is staying out.

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    Pick-and-rolls are set out by the three point line. That offers enough room to recover against the drive. Can Rondo score off the dribble in a pick-and-roll? Sure. But what makes the pick-and-roll so dangerous like the mentioned Nelson/Carter PNR is when both offensive players are capable jumpshooters. Playing off Rondo gives the defense the ability to lay off of him, recover on his drives and/or allow help defense to also be a factor. Now if Rondo just goes crazy and starts hitting jumpers as well forcing Kobe to play up on him and run through the picks, then you start opening up the driving lanes. I don't see that happening even if Rondo hits a couple jumpers off the PNR. He'd have to make like 4-5 jumpers in a row out of it to even make Kobe and Phil consider on playing him differently. Don't think that's going to happen.
    I'm not saying to run the PNR with Rondo, but to simply use picks to give him more space. A lot of times, the most effective pick is one set by the C/PF in the middle of a drive on an unsuspecting defender, allowing either the penetrator to have a wide open look at the hoop, or bringing the interior defender over and creating a mismatch/getting the pick-setter a wide open look under the bucket. I guess it's still technically a PNR, but being used in a very different manner. And not to run this like constantly the way you can run a typical PNR, but just a way to try to help rondo be more effective with his penetration.

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    Ok, but the post you quoted by me was in response to the suggestion that Rondo and Ray Allen run the 1-2 pick-and-roll like Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter. That's what I initially responded to and that's the post you initially quoted.

    I guess my point is that Kobe plays off Rondo so much that picks will only mildly help Rondo take advantage of the defense. I mean, Kobe literally plays off Rondo about 8-10 feet most of the time. I mean, what good is a pick, if the player with the ball can't really use it? Rondo actually is fine without picks because his speed and dribbling ability and long arms allow for him to be pretty effective taking a defender off the dribble one-on-one. He doesn't really need picks too often for that anyway. And Rondo playing well isn't really an issue regardless. The Lakers' defensive priorities should list Ray Allen's three point shooting and closing out defensive possessions with securing the rebounds on missed shots as much higher priorities anyway. If Rondo kills the Lakers for like 30 points and the Celtics win, I think the Lakers the Lakers will take their chances with that over Ray Allen getting hot from three point range or Paul Pierce agressively attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line 10+ times or KG and Baby getting a lot of offensive rebounds and second opportunities. They won't like losing, but I would bet the Lakers would risk it being Rondo than any of the other three regular starters.

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    Wrong. Perkins does a great job of sealing his man off and not allowing him to get the rebound. He may not get credited for the actual board, but anyone actually watching or paying attention can see that when he's in the game the Celtics magically start rebounding better.
    This^


    Its never about numbers with Perkins. His presence makes things easier for Garnett. Its just like PJ Brown in 2008. He was essentially a role player but his presence in the court was invaluable for the Celtics. Perkins has the same effect.

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    Ok, but the post you quoted by me was in response to the suggestion that Rondo and Ray Allen run the 1-2 pick-and-roll like Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter. That's what I initially responded to and that's the post you initially quoted.

    I guess my point is that Kobe plays off Rondo so much that picks will only mildly help Rondo take advantage of the defense. I mean, Kobe literally plays off Rondo about 8-10 feet most of the time. I mean, what good is a pick, if the player with the ball can't really use it? Rondo actually is fine without picks because his speed and dribbling ability and long arms allow for him to be pretty effective taking a defender off the dribble one-on-one. He doesn't really need picks too often for that anyway. And Rondo playing well isn't really an issue regardless. The Lakers' defensive priorities should list Ray Allen's three point shooting and closing out defensive possessions with securing the rebounds on missed shots as much higher priorities anyway. If Rondo kills the Lakers for like 30 points and the Celtics win, I think the Lakers the Lakers will take their chances with that over Ray Allen getting hot from three point range or Paul Pierce agressively attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line 10+ times or KG and Baby getting a lot of offensive rebounds and second opportunities. They won't like losing, but I would bet the Lakers would risk it being Rondo than any of the other three regular starters.

    Great post. I said the EXACT same thing to start the series.

    And here is the REAL problem for the Celts ...

    They want to play Tony Allen BECAUSE he is their best defender on Kobe.

    But if they play Tony with Rondo that is TWO players that the Lakers will lay off of ... and that will allow them to help more on Pierce Allen and KG.

    Anytime Tony Allen is on the floor we play man on teh ball side ...zone principles on teh weak side off of Tony allen.

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    This^


    Its never about numbers with Perkins. His presence makes things easier for Garnett. Its just like PJ Brown in 2008. He was essentially a role player but his presence in the court was invaluable for the Celtics. Perkins has the same effect.
    Agree with Dazed and CR here ...

    I know Pau is glad he is not playing ...

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