Kravitz: Pacers must deal their No. 10 pick for point guard

[TD 21]

Even if they had to exchange first-rounders and make it essentially Hill for Rush, I think that's probably the prudent move for the Spurs to make if they believe in the player they can get at 10.

Indiana would be getting the best player, probably both short and long-term (as I'm not informed enough to tell you how good those 10-20 players are this year -- I just didn't see enough), but Rush fills a need immediately and would likely be much better than anyone they could get at 20. Then it's down to the 10 and Hill and even if that pick never manages to be as good as Hill, he'd seemingly be a pretty nice player at a position of greater need; or he'd at least have the body to play the position he was deemed of being.

If Paul George is really a player and someone who could eventually turn into a borderline star or even just a starter and they get a proven guy like Rush to go alongside of him, that really could turn out quite well: George envisions himself as a 6-8 shooting guard and Rush's offensive game falls right in line with a Spurs small forward. They could potentially have found the size and skill on the wing for the present and future with one fell swoop.

Excellent post. Swapping picks in addition to Hill/Rush makes this more realistic than just Hill for Rush and their pick.

[Blackjack]

Excellent post. Swapping picks in addition to Hill/Rush makes this more realistic than just Hill for Rush and their pick.

That's it. I quit. The interwebs, the prognostication, the analysis ... it's all over.

Blackjack is now retired; you can't go out any better than that. A two sentence reply from TD 21 in agreement!?!

I feel like David Robinson, John Elway, Jerome Bettis and about 50 boxers that retired champions (but probably have more in common with the boxers because 99-percent of them fail at retirement).

Farewell, SpursTalk. I've enjoyed the ride!

[Mel_13]

That's it. I quit. The interwebs, the prognostication, the analysis ... it's all over.

Blackjack is now retired; you can't go out any better than that. A two sentence reply from TD 21 in agreement!?!

I feel like David Robinson, John Elway, Jerome Bettis and about 50 boxers that retired champions (but probably have more in common with the boxers because 99-percent of them fail at retirement).

Farewell, SpursTalk. I've enjoyed the ride!

Not fooling me, Blackjack. Everybody knows that he's just one of your yes men.

[MaNu4Tres]

[Blackjack]

How does one respond without compromising one's retirement?

[Mel_13]

How does one respond without compromising one's retirement?

As ST farewells go, that was pretty tame. No vows, no promises, no mention of permanence. Plus, you've got the crew down in the basement waiting for their awards. They're depending on you, Blackjack. You can't ignore their pleas.

[mingus]

fify

If your thesis were true, this thread wouldn't even list the Spurs as potential trade partners... and this with Hill only a PG in training.

no pg is easier. plenty of talented pg's out there as back ups right now. Indiana is one of the feew teams that doesn't have a servicable pg.

[Blackjack]

As ST farewells go, that was pretty tame. No vows, no promises, no mention of permanence. Plus, you've got the crew down in the basement waiting for their awards. They're depending on you, Blackjack. You can't ignore their pleas.

Good point. I'll get everyone in the basement in one place and proceed to gas... uh, award them before leaving the scene.

[Mel_13]

no pg is easier. plenty of talented pg's out there as back ups right now. Indiana is one of the feew teams that doesn't have a servicable pg.

Sadly, they paid about 18M last year to a group of unserviceable PGs.

[TD 21]

That's it. I quit. The interwebs, the prognostication, the analysis ... it's all over.

Blackjack is now retired; you can't go out any better than that. A two sentence reply from TD 21 in agreement!?!

I feel like David Robinson, John Elway, Jerome Bettis and about 50 boxers that retired champions (but probably have more in common with the boxers because 99-percent of them fail at retirement).

Farewell, SpursTalk. I've enjoyed the ride!

Right, like I've never had a short reply or been in agreement with anyone. I guess you glossed over all those posts and chose to instead focus on the other ones. It's true though that many of my posts exceed two sentences. Sorry, I like to post something that's thought out and not just an attempt to build up my post count as quickly as possible. Shocking, I know.

A lot of you people on here seem to not understand or have forgotten what a message board is about: it's about debate, opinion and lively chatter. It's not about making foolish, irrelevant threads, making lame jokes or being buddy buddy with everybody.

Since you seem to take issue with debate, disagreement or confrontation (not that you're alone on that on this board), you thought I'd either gloss over the fact that this post is a clear shot at me or not recognize that it is because it's done in an (attempt) at being humorous.

It's funny how when I don't agree with someone, I'm "looking for an argument", but when someone disagrees with me, they just disagree with me. Rule number one of SpursTalk: bow down to anyone with established board relationships, otherwise you're automatically in the wrong.

[Seventyniner]

Since you seem to take issue with debate, disagreement or confrontation (not that you're alone on that on this board), you thought I'd either gloss over the fact that this post is a clear shot at me or not recognize that it is because it's done in an (attempt) at being humorous.

So if you take the "for" position in the case of the existence of debates on forums, noone can take the "against" position without being self-contradictory. I see what you did there...

[tdunk21]

Hill + RJ + future 1st for granger and 10th pick

[E-RockWill]

Cue the music & drop the curtain. This thread is officvially done......

[Blackjack]

Right, like I've never had a short reply or been in agreement with anyone. I guess you glossed over all those posts and chose to instead focus on the other ones. It's true though that many of my posts exceed two sentences. Sorry, I like to post something that's thought out and not just an attempt to build up my post count as quickly as possible. Shocking, I know.

A lot of you people on here seem to not understand or have forgotten what a message board is about: it's about debate, opinion and lively chatter. It's not about making foolish, irrelevant threads, making lame jokes or being buddy buddy with everybody.

Since you seem to take issue with debate, disagreement or confrontation (not that you're alone on that on this board), you thought I'd either gloss over the fact that this post is a clear shot at me or not recognize that it is because it's done in an (attempt) at being humorous.

It's funny how when I don't agree with someone, I'm "looking for an argument", but when someone disagrees with me, they just disagree with me. Rule number one of SpursTalk: bow down to anyone with established board relationships, otherwise you're automatically in the wrong.

Whoa, there, TD . . .

That was completely tongue-in-cheek. There was nothing about that intended to be a slight. While we usually agree on the endgame, we usually have a different way of arriving at those conclusions. Thus, to receive a two-sentence response from you was a first as far as I recall; I was celebrating an easy consensus, not mocking.

[TD 21]

Whoa, there, TD . . .

That was completely tongue-in-cheek. There was nothing about that intended to be a slight. While we usually agree on the endgame, we usually have a different way of arriving at those conclusions. Thus, to receive a two-sentence response from you was a first as far as I recall; I was celebrating an easy consensus, not mocking.

No, it wasn't. At least man up and admit that it was a shot and that it's not the first time. You're passive-aggressive.

Good thing we reached a consensus, wouldn't want to actually disagree or debate something on a message board.

[Blackjack]

No, it wasn't. At least man up and admit that it was a shot and that it's not the first time. You're passive-aggressive.

Good thing we reached a consensus, wouldn't want to actually disagree or debate something on a message board.

You're really in' serious?

I mean, REALLY!?!

[dbestpro]

Of note is the fact that many in this forum have said that Hill is not a pg, yet Indiana would pony up a number 10 pick for him to play pg. Hmmmm.

[taps]

i guess having Temple makes this decision that much easier if'n it happens

[galvatron3000]

If the Spurs can get the number 10 in this years draft, keep the number 20 for George Hill, who is not a pg but a sg, I say do it. Love Hill but seriously I'd pull this trigger right now.

[TD 21]

You're really in' serious?

I mean, REALLY!?!

Don't play dumb with me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you just didn't get the response you were looking for and that bothers you.

I'm not serious in the sense that I'm legitimately angered over what someone who doesn't know me said to me on a message board, but I am serious in the sense that you clearly took a shot at me. You can (predictably) spin it all you want.

[Blackjack]

Don't play dumb with me. You knew exactly what you were doing, you just didn't get the response you were looking for and that bothers you.

I'm not serious in the sense that I'm legitimately angered over what someone who doesn't know me said to me on a message board, but I am serious in the sense that you clearly took a shot at me. You can (predictably) spin it all you want.

Holy . . .

Wow, I'm just going to tie my hands behind my back because the forecast is projecting a good size front of passive aggressive activity in the near future.

You do know there's a lukewarm between hot and cold, right?

Well, , I guess I'm no better than the local weather guy.

[benefactor]

TD21...dude...smoke a joint, take a shot of 80 proof or pop a couple of Xanax. Learning to laugh at yourself is essential to proper social function.

[SenorSpur]

Even if they had to exchange first-rounders and make it essentially Hill for Rush, I think that's probably the prudent move for the Spurs to make if they believe in the player they can get at 10.

Indiana would be getting the best player, probably both short and long-term (as I'm not informed enough to tell you how good those 10-20 players are this year -- I just didn't see enough), but Rush fills a need immediately and would likely be much better than anyone they could get at 20. Then it's down to the 10 and Hill and even if that pick never manages to be as good as Hill, he'd seemingly be a pretty nice player at a position of greater need; or he'd at least have the body to play the position he was deemed of being.

If Paul George is really a player and someone who could eventually turn into a borderline star or even just a starter and they get a proven guy like Rush to go alongside of him, that really could turn out quite well: George envisions himself as a 6-8 shooting guard and Rush's offensive game falls right in line with a Spurs small forward. They could potentially have found the size and skill on the wing for the present and future with one fell swoop.

A possible exchange of first-rounders would cause me some hesistation. Although, it would probably still be the prudent thing to do. However if the trade, as originally proposed, is Hill in exchange for Rush & #10 pick, thereby allowing the Spurs to keep their #20, I don't see how the Spurs could turn that down. The Spurs could bolster their SG (Rush), SF (George or Henry), and PF (Udoh, Sanders, or Davis) positions in one fell swoop. Add in Splitter and the Spurs will be ready to roll.

As much as I love Hill, there is simply just too much to gain from this trade scenario, to pass up. The immediate injection of youth and athleticism would make for a fierce roster going into next season and the future.

Of course, it does create a potential hole at backup PG. If the Spurs are really, really high on Garrett Temple's , perhaps he could fill the bill at backup point. If not, any thoughts about swapping out T.J. Ford in place of Rush, in the trade? I would guess the money doesn't match and that Rush for Hill is probably a closer salary match.

[TimDunkem]

Stop arguing guys!

[TD 21]

Holy . . .

Wow, I'm just going to tie my hands behind my back because the forecast is projecting a good size front of passive aggressive activity in the near future.

You do know there's a lukewarm between hot and cold, right?

Well, , I guess I'm no better than the local weather guy.

Why did "A two sentence reply from TD 21 in agreement!?" sound an awful lot like "you're a disagreeable, argumentative, long winded, opinionated know-it-all"?

TD21...dude...smoke a joint, take a shot of 80 proof or pop a couple of Xanax. Learning to laugh at yourself is essential to proper social function.

I was right. I knew one of the yes-men would jump to his defense and come with a "learn to laugh at yourself" comment. I had you over Mel_13 by a hair.

Why would I laugh at someone who basically said "you're a disagreeable, argumentative, long-winded, opinionated know-it-all"? And why is it that, no matter the topic, if you or any of your little buddies see my name in a thread where there's a debate going on, I'm automatically in the wrong every single time?