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Nash was the best PG all season long, but Rondo played AMAZING this finals series ok.
I hated the little goblin looking bas up until this playoffs but he doesn't give up on a play, dude is all hard work.
A teams' reliance on their PG just losing another championship, no surprises here. Good job being a selfish prick Rondo, while the other 29 starting PG's in the NBA are trying to rack up assists, Derek Fisher is saying 5 rings, got.
Nash was the best PG all season long, but Rondo played AMAZING this finals series ok.
I hated the little goblin looking bas up until this playoffs but he doesn't give up on a play, dude is all hard work.
Rondo lost his team the game today dominating the ball being an assist and making it impossible for Boston to run any halfcourt sets.
As far as Steve Nash, last I checked, teams that rely on him don't have any playoff success to show for it.
Yeah... it's a glamor position, but, as the statistics bear out, the best ones never win as the leader/best player on their team. Occasionally a PG dominates a series, but that's largely a matchup. The last "Great" PG to win was Thomas. Crazy. There have been so many greats since, yet none have rings as great players/best players on their team. Billups is as close as it got, and I maintain he is merely a very good player, not great.
The other 29 pgs don't have gasol, Kobe, bynum, odom, artest and Phil. And neither does rondo. He was being asked to do too much....especially when Ray allen realized he has 34 year old legs.
PG-oriented basketball doesn't win championships, at this point it's a proven theory. I didn't want the Lakers to win, but I guess them winning gives me the consolation prize of my theory being proven right again. The biggest role Rondo will ever have on a championship team is the role he had in 2008: a role player the team doesn't need on the court to close games.
you're right. Thats where derrick fisher steps in and claims the spot.
I once made the argument that forcing a pass was as detrimental as forcing a shot, and that selfish is selfish, no matter the stat. The logic was forced passes lead to deflections/steals which are almost always 2 points. You saw the flipside tonight, which was an active and effective 1st-half offense crawl to a halt and become ineffective for 20 of the 24 2nd-half minutes.
It sounds crazy, but I hate seeing forced passes, and I really do think they are as bad as forced shots.
speaking of PGs...
Derek ing Fisher. I hate the little got, but he should be allowed to play PG for the Lakers until his old ass legs fall off and Laker fans shouldnt complain one bit. He got so much this year but he came up huge in the playoffs yet again. Dude's all heart.
You're damn right it's selfish no matter what, being an assist is no better than being a point . Stephon in Marbury led the league in assists one year, that came from him being a ball dominant assist . The assist is maybe the most overrated statistic in basketball.
last time a pg lead team won a le was what? 89 with isiah thomas?
Yessir. Boston relying on Rondo to compensate for Pierce and Allen's age was only gonna get them so far. Game 7 of the NBA finals was further than I'd ever thought it would.
I was actually comparing Marbury to Kidd. I wasn't complimentary of either. I cited Kidd's League-leading TOs, terrible FG% and failure in the playoffs vs. the West and compared it to Marbury's low A/TO ratio, terrible FG% and failure in the playoffs.
I don't like PGs who can't shoot, and I don't like PGs who force passes. Extending to the current, I cringe whenever I see Nash drive into the lane. I know either 1. An amazing pass occurs, 2. a TO occurs, or 3. that terrible step-back fade jumper occurs.
Keep it simple. Run precise plays, hit open shots, drive open lanes, make the smart pass. This equals efficiency and stability, which is what you need from you PG. Double-teams/FTs generation you need from you SG or SF and you big.
Let's see a line up of:
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Rasheed Wallace
Rajon Rondo
All winners and all great players couldn't get over the hump.
allen was useless.
Pierce was useless except for 2 games.
Garnett was surprisingly the only consistent one.
Big Baby and Rondo were their best players.
Ironic.
Pretty much, furthermore you also need enough talent at SG-C so you're PG can be someone who provides stability and doesn't create any offense. Using the PG to try and cover up the deficiencies of your SG, SF, PF and C is a gimmicky trick that will always fall apart at the wrong time.
Garnett wasn't consistent, and he was terrible on the boards almost every game.
Wow..really? This loss isnt on Rondo...it was on the boards and lack of Offense in the 4th...
Which had everything to do with Rondo
your hating. Whats with these crazy expectations out of every PG DoK? Am i missing something?
your hating. Whats with these crazy expectations out of every PG DoK? Am i missing something?
I'm not hating. It's pretty hard to score when the PG is dominating the ball and leaving the team with no time to run a halfcourt set. Rajon Rondo was looking to make the fancy assist all night when he shoulda been looking to make the simple play and keep the offense flowing like Fisher does.
And I'm waiting for a PG to prove me wrong and lead a team to a championship, but I know that's not happening anytime soon. The PG position is an overrated position that's filled with selfish, y, one dimensional players who are touted for their great willingness to share the ball when their unwillingness to share the ball is why their teams always come up short.
Rondo is anything but selfish, y, and one dimensional. You're ing kidding me. Rondo is one of THE best PG's in the league. Sure he might not have a jumpshot or FT shot yet but he does all the intagible things you could ask for in a player...hustle, plays D, and even rebounds for a PG....
Offensively he's one dimensional where has he is absolutely useless unless the ball is in his hands. If he doesn't have the ball, his defender gets to float off him and play free safety. I'm not singling Rondo out here, I hate all these "top tier PG's" who are constantly touted for all the stuff they can do yet none of them have ever accomplished jack in the playoffs.
hes one of the top 5 defenders in the league. And probably one of the more complete PGs when it comes to scoring and assists.
He started with the rox a couple of yrs back but he's won me over.
One thing Rondo is not is a complete, he can't make a shot further than 7 feet from the hoop.
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