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    Forget it, t, yer white bread.

    We're unbeatable now.

    The world is our oyster. We're truly at the precipice of something very special in all of sports.
    Nah, yer wrong Cully. We're the one team that can beat you. It's all about size and we've got it in spades. We just need a little health. Our time is coming...

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    They should just let Farmar leave regardless. He threw away several possessions holding onto the ball too long. Sucks for LA they traded Toney Douglas because he'd be the perfect PG for them to groom under Fisher, but if they could get a guy like Ridnour or Felton for the MLE and a backup C like Kurt Thomas for the LLE, they'd be stacked for next year.

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    Nah, yer wrong Cully. We're the one team that can beat you. It's all about size and we've got it in spades. We just need a little health. Our time is coming...
    LOL Blazers and health ...

    to let some of the haters tell it ... God loves the Lakers and strikes down key players so the Lakers road to a le is less cluttered ...LMAO

    and if that doesnt work his underling stooge Stern instructs the refs to bail us out!!!!

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    Back to OP' point

    Yes the NBA is "old money" league and to be honest it is why the Spurs deserve SOOOOO much credit.

    Yes they tanked twice to get the twin Towers

    BUT even after David left they kept winning and they arent one of the power old money franchises ...

    Knicks
    Lakers
    Celtics
    Bulls
    Sixers

    they talk about the lakers/Celts have more than half the NBA les you add those traditional Big city teams and it's much worse ...

    Spurs have overcome a lot of odds to get that 4 yall owe Duncan and Pop a WHOLE lot

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    Well part of me thinks that there are basketball gods who love LA. I don't see very many other teams who have players like Ron Artest fall into their lap willing to leave their egos at the door, take paycuts and do whatever it takes to help the team win.

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    With the Lakers win, that makes five les in ten years, and seven trips. Not to mention the Spurs 4 les in the last near-decade.

    So, is it a truth tha the NBA has surpassed the MLB for least compe ive? Does anyone think a team like the Raptors even has a shot next year?
    I see a lot of griping in this thread about the NBA's compe ive balance, but I don't think it has as much to do with the CBA as people think. I just think basketball as a sport lends itself to fewer upsets. As many people have said, the best team overwhelmingly tends to win a 7-game series.

    Superstars in the NBA have a tremendous amount of influence over the outcome of games. A superstar in the NBA plays 40+ minutes and plays both offense and defense... he also only has 4 other teammates on the floor. Compare that with baseball where the best pitchers only pitch about 20% of their team's innings and they either don't hit at all or suck at it. And hitters get at most about 15% of their team's PAs and the best ones can have the bat taken out of their hands by intentional BBs.

    Baseball is much more of a crapshoot. Its compe ive imbalance is much more because of its random nature than its CBA. The baseball CBA sucks. The disparity in NBA team salaries is nothing compared to the disparity in baseball, where there have been seasons where the Yankees were outspending the lowest-salaried team ten times over.

    Take a look at NBA team salaries -- the disparities simply aren't that great. And the Raptors don't have a chance because the front office has made terrible moves and drafted/acquired bad players, not because they don't have money to spend. They've spent it on dodgy players like Bargnani, Hedo, and co.

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    Well part of me thinks that there are basketball gods who love LA. I don't see very many other teams who have players like Ron Artest fall into their lap willing to leave their egos at the door, take paycuts and do whatever it takes to help the team win.
    This is true.

    However, remember how many people were predicting Ron would be the Lakers' undoing?

    It was no sure thing he'd end up fitting in pretty well. The Lakers took a huge risk bringing him in.

    Because of the results of Game 6 and 7 he comes up smelling roses, but it was just last week there were "We miss Ariza" and "Trevor > Ron" threads after Crazy Bill stunk up the joint and couldn't hit jack from the field.

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    This is true.

    However, remember how many people were predicting Ron would be the Lakers' undoing?

    It was no sure thing he'd end up fitting in pretty well. The Lakers took a huge risk bringing him in.

    Because of the results of Game 6 and 7 he comes up smelling roses, but it was just last week there were "We miss Ariza" and "Trevor > Ron" threads after Crazy Bill stunk up the joint and couldn't hit jack from the field.
    If Phil could handle Rodman, he can handle Artest. Same formula, have a dominate player that will smack him down if he gets out of line.

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    This is true.

    However, remember how many people were predicting Ron would be the Lakers' undoing?

    It was no sure thing he'd end up fitting in pretty well. The Lakers took a huge risk bringing him in.

    Because of the results of Game 6 and 7 he comes up smelling roses, but it was just last week there were "We miss Ariza" and "Trevor > Ron" threads after Crazy Bill stunk up the joint and couldn't hit jack from the field.
    That wasnt me. Pierce raped us in '08 evene worse than his numbers showed ...

    Seeing Ron do an even better job defending then what PP's numbers showed was all I asked ...

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    They should just let Farmar leave regardless. He threw away several possessions holding onto the ball too long. Sucks for LA they traded Toney Douglas because he'd be the perfect PG for them to groom under Fisher, but if they could get a guy like Ridnour or Felton for the MLE and a backup C like Kurt Thomas for the LLE, they'd be stacked for next year.
    any chance we can get Dragic from the suns? LOL

    I alwys like that guy but the guy i really wanted (Realistic chance to have)was George hill

    Lakers LOVED him Spurs stole him ...

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    any chance we can get Dragic from the suns? LOL
    ...
    Give Sarver a briefcase with some cash in it and he's yours.

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    Holy I dont even wanna imagine the rebounding difference in this series if Bynum didnt have a torn ligament. He was beasting in the first few games & then the knee just couldn't handle the constant pressure & travel..Nobody beating LA in the west if they sign a few legit players comin off the bench. Peace out shannon brown & farmar, it was fun while it lasted lol. Maybe Ray Ray will sign for a few million hahaha he would have nothing but WIDE open jumpers all day long.

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    Give Sarver a briefcase with some cash in it and he's yours.
    LOL money hungry got, that er doesnt care for les if he's putting extra money in his pocket & filling up the arena.

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    Give Sarver a briefcase with some cash in it and he's yours.

    LOL I know the suns thread about Sarver is buried but what is it with that guy?

    And Kerr Must know the ship is sinking ...

    Curious what they will do with Amare

    What do you Suns fans think will hapen what do you WANT to happen?

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    any chance we can get Dragic from the suns? LOL
    Not as long as Sasha Vujacic is on LA

    Phil tried to trade for him his rookie year when everyone thought he sucked, because as bad as he looked you could see potential in him. The way things are going with the Suns though, I wouldn't be surprised if Nash is traded at the deadline or sooner and the team goes into full rebuilding mode. I suspect Nash and Hill will have little interest finishing their career on the Suns once Amare leaves and once Gentry has one foot out the door waiting for a team that'll give him a payday.

    He'd be like the perfect fit for LA though, he's unselfish, moves great without the ball, has no problem making the simple play, and is a good catch and shoot threat. His game lends itself to being on the court with a stud 2-guard.

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    Not as long as Sasha Vujacic is on LA

    Phil tried to trade for him his rookie year when everyone thought he sucked, because as bad as he looked you could see potential in him. The way things are going with the Suns though, I wouldn't be surprised if Nash is traded at the deadline or sooner and the team goes into full rebuilding mode. I suspect Nash and Hill will have little interest finishing their career on the Suns once Amare leaves and once Gentry has one foot out the door waiting for a team that'll give him a payday.

    He'd be like the perfect fit for LA though, he's unselfish, moves great without the ball, has no problem making the simple play, and is a good catch and shoot threat. His game lends itself to being on the court with a stud 2-guard.
    I like his game he reimnds me of a younger smaller Manu in some ways ...

    And i knew PJ liked him.

    How will a nash trade go down in phoenix? Guy won 2 MVP's had a great year all in all strong Game 6 in WCF

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    I like his game he reimnds me of a younger smaller Manu in some ways ...

    And i knew PJ liked him.

    How will a nash trade go down in phoenix? Guy won 2 MVP's had a great year all in all strong Game 6 in WCF

    Well, once Amare leaves, and once Frye + Amundson follow him out the door, and then when they don't sign anyone to replace them, and then when Gentry has no real interest staying with a team that has no interest in giving him a capable roster, Nash is probably gonna quietly but firmly say to Sarver please trade me you cheap sack of .

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    Well, once Amare leaves, and once Frye + Amundson follow him out the door, and then when they don't sign anyone to replace them, and then when Gentry has no real interest staying with a team that has no interest in giving him a capable roster, Nash is probably gonna quietly but firmly say to Sarver please trade me you cheap sack of .
    If it comes to that, I hope he shows up in Portland.

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    No, you waited a couple hours, Ln.

    And I don't know what you're panicked about. If you'd a had Perkins for the last two games I'd be kicked off by The Princess by now and you'd be fat & happy.

    Heal Perkins.

    Rondo's evolvement is just beginning. His upside is infinite. He's still learning. You want to trade him? Pick anybody not named Kobe and you can have him. That includes Gasol.
    Yes, but we won't have thibodeaux coaching the D which is a big blow. Also, we would have to make sure we kept everyone healthy. Two big factors.

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    Tim, I know the comparative money diff is small, but small market teams do win out at times in the MLB, as does happen in the NBA. However, even in baseball you haven't had one team dominate since the late 90s Yankees.

    Is this sort of imbalance desirable? I'd argue that it isn't. Look a who's been in the semifinals the past half decade. It's almost always the same 3 or 4 teams. For the west, lakers/mavs/spurs/suns, for the east, Boston/magic/cavs/pistons.

    Is it that the front offices are so much better? Or do guaranteed contracts out a crappy franchise in a hole for much longer than they should be?

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    The Suns lose in the 2nd round in 2007 and take the at ude that they're happy with their team, and the Lakers win it all in 2009 and take the at ude to make opportunistic improvements so they can repeat.
    My main gripe with the Spurs front office is this...so bent on letting the same le team have a chance to repeat instead of seeking out upgrades. Granted, their market affects the ability to do this (see the swing-and-a-miss in 2003 on Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal).

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    There is parity in the league. It is not as if the Lakers blitzed to a le this year. The 3-peat from 00-02 has no bearing on today.

    Since its a superstar driven league the top players will generally find themselves not only winning a le but multiple les (Duncan, Kobe, Shaq)... you could say the league lacked compe ive balance in the 90's too, considering it was a Bulls bukkake fest.

    But there is still parity in the league. Orlando/Cleveland/Boston/LA were in the same tier this year. LA just came out on top by a hair.

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    you wanna see compe ive imbalance? wait till lebron comes to dallas, jesus... .

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    Back to OP' point

    Yes the NBA is "old money" league and to be honest it is why the Spurs deserve SOOOOO much credit.

    Yes they tanked twice to get the twin Towers

    BUT even after David left they kept winning and they arent one of the power old money franchises ...

    Knicks
    Lakers
    Celtics
    Bulls
    Sixers

    they talk about the lakers/Celts have more than half the NBA les you add those traditional Big city teams and it's much worse ...

    Spurs have overcome a lot of odds to get that 4 yall owe Duncan and Pop a WHOLE lot
    Yeah...Duncan was never flashy, just quietly dominant, and Pop did more with less than any other coach in the NBA...PJ included. Even if the Spurs never win another le in my lifetime (heaven forbid!), we'll always have that glorious time known as the Tim Duncan era. To think, we were a miracle shot and a stupid foul away from possibly FIVE-peating. Oh, well...I'll savor the no matter what. There's plenty of teams in the NBA still looking for their first.

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    you wanna see compe ive imbalance? wait till lebron comes to dallas, jesus... .
    You just won't let that fantasy die, will ya???

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