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hes gotten a lot better, and notice i said scorer. Dude can get to the basket.
He's still a young player...his game will evolve as years go by. Now you, a Suns fan shouldnt be talking about one dimensional players..when you have your PG Steve Nash who only plays on one side of the ball...
hes gotten a lot better, and notice i said scorer. Dude can get to the basket.
reading comprehension fail. You don't have to tell me twice about Nash being a one dimensional player. Like I said, I hate all these "top tier PGs", and last I checked Nash is considered a top tier PG.
Well exactly...but you just said "top tier PGs," you didnt mention which ones you were talking about...or call out your own PG for that matter, you just pointed fingers at other ones..
Maybe that's not calling him out so I can see what you mean. I've eased up on him recently, but I've called out Nash plenty since I've been on here, pretty much any NBA forum regular would agree that I have.
Oh alright my bad...didnt see that post about Nash.
No, Rondo is just overrated. Put Williams or Paul on the Celtics and they would have won.
Did I just wake up inside a bizarro world this morning? A Suns fans created a thread to degrade the point guard position, as in the position Steve Nash plays in.
DoK hates Steve Nash and is disillusioned with the idea of building a team around a point guard due to his team's constant failure promising season after promising season.
I think he's just overreacting.
No, Allen shooting 3-14 and essentially allowing the Laker D to do whatever they wanted cost them the game. Rondo did just fine.
I agree 100% with this post. That's why I have always said that you build a championship team from the inside out.
Show me an example from the last 20 years that proves me wrong.
You'd have to be blind to not see the countless possessions last night where Rondo took forever to initiate the offense. Yeah, of course you look at the stat sheed and think Rondo did fine, but there isn't a stat that accounts for dominating the ball till there's8 seconds left on the shot clock and then passing it off to someone so they have to rush a shot.
Tony Parker, when the Spurs were winning championships, was a scoring PG who IMO was always the 3rd best player on those teams, it was always Manu taking the closing shots, it was never Parker. Either way, no one thinks he ever led a team to a championship, and he was never a high volume assist player on those championship teams. His role was to score.
That's my point. High volume assist PGs don't win championships.
Rondo needs a jumpshot...hire Chip Engelland.
Show me an example of a team being hampered by having an elite point guard.
The Celtics didn't lose because Rondo was being an assist ; they lost because he sucks. The dude can't hit an open jumper to save his life.
Great point. I think people forget how special he was ...
dude does not suck.
But he is a unique player that excels at things most PG's struggle with defneding the paint, Rebounding and help defense.
but he ALSO struggles with the basic tenets of PG play:
1. Protect the rock
2. Make the simple play
3. Make FT's since PG's are ball dominant they should be at WORSE your 2nd best FT shooter
4. Hit open jumpers on kick outs
5. Develop a solid 18-20 foot jumper
Rondo is a great PG prospect but still lacking too many people jumped on his nuts at this point offensively he i not as good as Tony parker who worked on his jumper.
Defensively he is good but needs to gamble less ...
I can show you countless examples of a team hampering itself by deciding to build itself around an elite PG. I'm not saying the Celtics are a better team without Rondo, I'm saying the Celtics hurt themselves by becoming a team that has a SG who plays completely off ball with a PG who has the ball in his hands all the time. If Ray Allen doesn't start the game shooting well, the only way he's able to get a rhythm is by trying to shoot himself out of it by chucking enough 3's. While age has obviously played a role, reducing Allen to a guy who's role on offense is someone who does nothing other than catch and shoot has hurt his game. Reducing Quentin Richardson to that role on the Suns in 2005 more or less destroyed his career.
Maybe.
But since Magic and Isiah ...it's been all centers (Duncan, hakeem, Shaq)
or
dynamic wings: (Wade, kobe jordan)
winning les ...
Yes we have two great exceptions: 2008 Celtics and 2004 Pistons
But one hd 3 HOF'ers and the other had a HOF coach and a perfect blend of borderline all-stars and well defined role players.
Stuff Fisher does. Having a PG who can do the simple things like the stuff you listed is more key than having a PG who can make fancy passes and drop 15 assists.
The combination of Ray Allen and Pierce was the equivalent to that of a dynamic wing such as Wade or Kobe. I know people might argue the 2004 Pistons were led by a PG because Billups won finals MVP, but that had more to do with the fact you could pick and roll the 2004 Lakers to death with Shaq at center and Slava Medvedenko at PF. Any Pistons fan on this site will tell you that team was built on all 5 starters being equally important where no one held onto the ball and the extra pass was always made.
I feel ya Dragic ...but Nash does most of those (extremely well) maybe except #1 on this list ...
of course he also sucks at the stuff Rondo is good at:
cant defend the paint or play much defense ...
I think those are Nash's worse offenses as a PG
No BS I think Dragic has a LOT of potential and though he maybe a prick when he sees sasha needs to get a chance to run a team.
Fisher is a role player. That's all he has to do for his team to succeed. Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Artest do all the dirty work on that team.
Rondo failed because he can't do those things consistently.
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