In which I extend an olive branch...

[Yonivore]

What happened that got your internet feelings hurt so badly that you had to post this thread on top of you almost leaving for good?

Gross mis-characterization aside, (I neither got my "internet feelings" hurt and that wasn't the reason for considering quitting), I'm human. Sue me.

I'm sure I said in there, somewhere, I wasn't perfect and would probably fall off the proverbial wagon. Manny's chumpdumperesque "Prove it" posts earned the chumpdumperesque designation as a gnat.

Harsh? I apologize. Let's move on.

Manny can prove the benefits of tinkering with this so-called "wealth inequality" if he wants to debate the issue.

Let me know when the poor in Section 8 housing start giving up their flat screens and spinner rims.

[Blake]

Gross mis-characterization aside, (I neither got my "internet feelings" hurt and that wasn't the reason for considering quitting), I'm human. Sue me.

99% of the time these threads are due to severe butthurt.

I'm sure I said in there, somewhere, I wasn't perfect and would probably fall off the proverbial wagon. Manny's chumpdumperesque "Prove it" posts earned the chumpdumperesque designation as a gnat.

So Manny told you to "prove it" and you called him a gnat?

you are a butthurt pussy, imo.

Harsh? Stop crying if someone criticizes you and grow a ing pair or move on.

[Yonivore]

Damn, Manny! When did your girlfriend join the forum?

[Yonivore]

Or, maybe your mother.

[ChumpDumper]

Further, I’m not posting this because I care what you think of me or my opinions. I’m posting this because I care what I think of me and my opinions. And, honestly, I’m sick and tired of the threads, in which I engage, devolving into snarky, vituperative, and hateful flame wars that no longer resemble reasonable debate and that usually stray so far from the original topics they end up a hundred-page hate fest.

Damn, Manny! When did your girlfriend join the forum?

Or, maybe your mother.

Not so sick of it after all.

[Blake]

Not so sick of it after all.

I'm human. Sue me.

[Parker2112]

…to those, in this forum, with whom I most disagree.

Not since Ronald Reagan was president have I self-identified as a Republican and I have never found myself so in line with Democrats that I would ever have identified myself as such. Had I been born a decade or two before I was, that might have been different. With two notable and, yes, significant exceptions, I believe I can most easily be considered to hold a libertarian ideology. Do I hold conservative social and fiscal views? Absolutely, I do; and, unapologetically so. Liberal ones? I can’t think of any in the current iteration of that term – liberal.

I believe in limited government, personal liberty, and – most importantly – the right of the individual to control their lives and the responsibility to accept whatever consequences result from exercising that control. I also believe every decision we make and every act we commit can be – and should be – driven by these fundamental principles. I do believe it is that black and white – there are no shades of gray, no middle ground, no fence to ride.

I must stop you here and say...why should anyone trust your value system to protect their own interests, interests such as safety, welfare, health, resources, etc? You want liberty to do what you want, and we should all accept the consequences?

I dont trust that you are responsible. I wont trust my kids future to your value system, which (if it tracks conservative values) boils down to personal wealth. The balance in your bank account doesnt = a good future for me.

Your throttle friendly take on consumption does not preserve anything for my kids or grandkids to enjoy.

I want the freedom to shut right-wing, consumption-happy, my wealth is the bottom line, you/pay me style short sighted bas s the down, and I would like you to enjoy the consequences.

[DarrinS]

I want the freedom to shut right-wing, consumption-happy, my wealth is the bottom line, you/pay me style short sighted bas s the down, and I would like you to enjoy the consequences.

Sounds like you would like to live in Greece. I hear they are doing great over there.

[Parker2112]

Sounds like you would like to live in Greece. I hear they are doing great over there.

Sounds like I want to live in a place that my kids might want to live. An America that is more than posturing and bellowing about freedom. There is no freedom unless the basic components are there...like food, natural resources, economic stability.

The present course threatens all those things.

Greece borrowed their way into a hole. We are doing the same. But in America, even as our economy stumbles, a small select few are walking away from our mess with a pocket full of loot. I dont want the loot for myself. I just want to make sure the select few quit grabbing the loot.

[DarrinS]

Sounds like I want to live in a place that my kids might want to live. An America that is more than posturing and bellowing about freedom. There is no freedom unless the basic components are there...like food, natural resources, economic stability.

The present course threatens all those things.

Greece borrowed their way into a hole. We are doing the same. But in America, even as our economy stumbles, a small select few are walking away from our mess with a pocket full of loot. I dont want the loot for myself. I just want to make sure the select few quit grabbing the loot.

Sounds like you value equality over liberty.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sounds like you value equality over liberty.

Sounds like you have been listening to too much talk radio...

[Parker2112]

Sounds like you value equality over liberty.

I think we all have a right to see our way of life continue. Not be dwindled away to benefit the pockets of a few.

Sorry, did the founding fathers not believe in equality?

It is modern conservatives who have conveniently stripped this belief from our heritage, because it interfere with their respective profits. I mean freedom.

[DarrinS]

I think we all have a right to see our way of life continue. Not be dwindled away to benefit the pockets of a few.

Sorry, did the founding fathers not believe in equality?

It is modern conservatives who have conveniently stripped this belief from our heritage, because it interfere with their respective profits. I mean freedom.

Yes. Equality at creation. Equality of potential. Not necessarily equality of education, wealth, etc. etc.

[Parker2112]

Yes. Equality at creation. Equality of potential. Not necessarily equality of education, wealth, etc. etc.

Who said anything about these other things?

I believe that a man should be able to reap what he sows. But I don't believe that because the wealth of a few is powerful and toxic enough to consume evrything in sight and lay waste to our pristine nation, that it should be allowed to do so in the name of freedom.

We need business to have an economy. But we cant turn the asylum over to the patients. As inaffective and inefficient as big govt is, there is no other means to protect our nation from those who would reduce us to ruins in the name of profits.

[rjv]

personally i think anytime one wanders into the domain of personal attacks or insults they blatantly concede that they have nothing left to offer accept fallacies, which are redundant and unoriginal. best thing to do when given such a response is to just move on or continue the argument if, that is, there is even an argument left to work with.

[Parker2112]

personally i think anytime one wanders into the domain of personal attacks or insults they blatantly concede that they have nothing left to offer accept fallacies, which are redundant and unoriginal. best thing to do when given such a response is to just move on or continue the argument if, that is, there is even an argument left to work with.

Sometimes you find the continuing barrage of lies and mistruths, misinformation and propoganda so infuriating that it becomes hard to stomach the messenger.

[johnsmith]

personally i think anytime one wanders into the domain of personal attacks or insults they blatantly concede that they have nothing left to offer accept fallacies, which are redundant and unoriginal. best thing to do when given such a response is to just move on or continue the argument if, that is, there is even an argument left to work with.

Or some people recognize this website for what it is, an internet forum where random people can come together to talk about an NBA basketball team and that those opinions put forth in the very, very sub forum of said website are all nonsense anyway so making personal attacks are just as helpul to mankind as is making a well thought out argument on the state of politics in America.


Just sayin'

[rjv]

Or some people recognize this website for what it is, an internet forum where random people can come together to talk about an NBA basketball team and that those opinions put forth in the very, very sub forum of said website are all nonsense anyway so making personal attacks are just as helpul to mankind as is making a well thought out argument on the state of politics in America.


Just sayin'

you're an idiot.

[DarkReign]

win

[johnsmith]

you're an idiot.

why?

[Wild Cobra]

Sounds like you have been listening to too much talk radio...

You cannot dictate equality when it is redistribution of others freedoms.