Wanted to seperate this from the discussion of the travesty that is that ing call robbing us of 2 points.
The way I see it, we control our destiny. If we beat Algeria by 2, we are in. (It would give us the GD advantage over Slovenia in the event of a ENG-SLV tie).
If we by 1 goal over Algeria, we need either Slovenia or England to win outright, it won't matter who wins (we would finish 2nd in group either way with the loser of that match finishing with 4 points behind the US's 5 - this assumes England beats Algeria today.)
There are possibilities to finish 1st in group, but I'd rather not have to ponder that hard.
What happens if both US and Slovenia finish with 5 points and the same Goal Diff? What's the next tie break? Goals scored?
If the team comes out with the same sense of urgency they came out with in the 2nd half early against Algeria they should score multiple goals.
Thats a big if though. I was really disappointed by the first goal they gave up and the 2nd was only marginally better.
I do NOT want to see any more of Findley starting. Edson needs to start or Dempsy needs to start at forward but I just can't handle Findley's complete lack of touch when he gets the ball near the box.
The US is definately going to make it to the round of 16. Past that, depends on who they get.
Good news is that Findley is out the next match. I'd suspect we'd start Buddle in his place with Hercules still off the bench.
Oh I'd forgotten that he had a yellow in the first game. That yellow was great news then.
Gomez needs to be used as a sub for the energy he brings in. I really don't want to see him start. Even on is club team he did most of his damage as a sub.
I wouldn't be upset to see Dempsey just slide up to forward and see Bradley a mid fielder but I really do want to see what Edson can do here. I think he deserves a shot.
That horrible hand ball in the box call might actually help the US
good breakdown
In the league format, the ranking in each group is determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches. If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.
Last edited by Spurologist; 06-18-2010 at 12:08 PM.
This:
Should be replaced by bringing the two teams in question together for a shootout only. No game, just a shootout. Much more exciting, and there's someone to blame.
I'm pretty sure the US will file an appeal for that call and they will get the yellow card rescinded.....if not just to make up for that ridiculous phantom call.
Manny you know the team behind at halftime has nothing to lose and can attack harder. You canīt start the game against Algeria that agressive, you bill be behind again in a minute.
they win they in
Whatever they do, they need to do something different because starting the game this way has given up early goals consistently. This might be the one case where the world is sympathetic to US and US will have a huge following to advance since they got flat robbed. People all over the world tend to side with someone who is unjustly treated.
Algeria USA will be HUGE
You must be kidding, right?
England needs to play France to build their confidence up.
every single team has realistic chances to advence from this group.
I'm already nervous for next Wednesday.
I can't believe how equal in quality all 4 teams are... Minor lapses in defense or luck decide the games.
There are loads of scenarios...
Iraq isnt on the cup, sorry
From what I posted in the England-Algeria thread:
If England wins, they are in.
If US wins, they are in.
If Slovenia wins, they are in with top seed.
If Algeria wins, they need England to lose or tie.
If US and England win, England will have to beat Slovenia by 4 goals to win top seed, otherwise US gets top seed.
If England wins and Algeria-US tie, England is top seed Slovenia is 2 seed.
I think I got that right.
edit: England will have to beat Slovenia by AT LEAST 4 goals, depending on how much US beats Algeria by in the scenario US beats Algeria.
How they advance
United States
• Win vs. Algeria
• Tie with Algeria, and Slovenia-England tie IF England does not outscore U.S. by 2-or-more goals
• Tie and England loss
England
• Win vs. Slovenia
• Tie AND U.S.-Algeria tie AND outscore U.S. by 3 goals
Slovenia
• Win/tie vs. England
• Loss AND U.S. tie vs. Algeria
• Loss AND Algeria win as long as Algeria doesn't make up tiebreakers
Algeria
• Win vs. U.S. AND Slovenia win/tie vs. England
• Win vs. USA AND Slovenia loss vs England AND make up tiebreakers on Slovenia
Notes
• Only way both U.S. and England advance is if both win
• If the U.S. draws with Algeria and England draws with Slovenia, and England scores exactly two more goals than the U.S., the U.S. and England would be even on all tiebreakers for second place. The tie would be broken by drawing lots.
Sorry Lefty - hope we kick your ass.
Fair enough
Elaborate
By the way didnt you pick England to destroy us ?
You are a footix
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