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Chris Paul never had three hall of famers on his team and a defensive genius as an assistant coach.
So why has CP3 failed time and time again?
Chris Paul never had three hall of famers on his team and a defensive genius as an assistant coach.
What a ridiculous thread
What's ridiculous about it, it's been proven right time and time again.
This is so dumb.
ridiculous because teh Celtics had all the tools to win a le this year. They were just as good as LA, but in a 7 game series one team has to win 4. They came up a few plays short.
Also, they're really not a PG oriented team in the same mold of CP3's Hornets, Deron's Jazz or Nash's Suns. They're just a true... team. An ensamble with 4 guys who can appear as the best player on a given night. No top 10 players, yet was within a few plays of defeating 4 teams featuring the 4 best players in the game en route to a le.
Just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it was never possible... IE KG winning a le as the best player on a team, some would've thought it impossible until 2008.
Yet you have no way to prove it wrong.
And it was the team that relied on its PG less than the other team.
Celtics were reliant on Ray allen not shooting 3-27 in Games 3 and 6...
Only flaw w/ Rondo is his lack of jump shot.
If you swap Rondo and Fisher Lakers win in 5 instead of 7.
Rondo is a ballerPERIOD
Ray Allen shot like because he plays with a selfish ball hog who makes it impossible for Ray Allen to get in a rhythm because all he can do on offense is catch and shoot jumpers, he never gets any chances to get a shot at the rim. Is it just a coincidence no one knew who Marcus Thornton was till Chris Paul got injured and he had a chance to get touches?
Call Rondo a baller all you want, his biggest role on a championship team will never be anything more than a role player who is often on the bench during critical minutes.
Allen's best game this series was also Rondo's best game when Rondo took the most shots. Allen sucked cause he ... sucked.
Let us proceed...
You really prove you are not capable of doing anything more than judging a stat sheet. You have to be blind to not notice the countless possessions Rondo ed up by holding onto the ball too long and then dumping it off to Pierce or Allen where they were isoed with the ball with like 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
Allen's best game this series was also Rondo's best game when Rondo took the most shots. Allen sucked cause he ... sucked.
Let us proceed...
Rondo didn't make Allen go 3-27 in Games 3 and 6.... mother in 11%...go 5 of 27 and the Celtics might be world champions, and that aint no lie.
You said before the series '10 Celtics > '08 Celtics.. I disagreed, but whyd you think that when it was obvious they were more reliant on Rondo this year than then? Cant say 'I told you so now', dokstrodamus.
Celtics had trouble generating offense no matter what they tried last night... even when Pierce was the primary ball handler.
Rondo's only flaw is his lack of jump shot. To say his only role ona le team is as a role player is ridiculous considering how close the Celtics just came.
I never said '10 > '08 Celtics, quit being re ed, that makes no sense. The '08 Celtics were deeper and Pierce, Allen and KG were all still playing at a high level.
And yes, Rondo did make Ray Allen shoot like . If Rondo didn't dominate the ball, Ray Allen gets more touches and more shots at the rim to get a rhythm going. Because of Rondo, the only chance Allen got to get going was quick release catch and shoot jumpers.
I'm pretty sure I've said in the past (when bashing CpWhistle) that PG's generally don't lead teams to les... but this Celtic team in particular wasn't so reliant on Rondo that this claim can be used against them... they were a true ensemble... reminds me of the 2004 Pistons who won it all without a top 10 player. Billups was a co #1 option w/ rip/sheed
This team had all the tools.
Given your habit of constantly equating close but no cigar championships to actual championships, I fully expected this comment from you, and my response is simple: Boston didn't win a championship this year, they lost.
The Lakers length can really mess up an offensively limited and relatively small PG like Rondo. Older players can afford to hang out back and try to make up for their lack of athleticism with fundamental or pesky defense.
You can leave Rondo wide open or hack him in the paint without worrying too much about the scoreboard. The Lakers also have Kobe Bryant and Artest that are defending the permieter...and they both got great deflection/stealing ability + size and having 7 footers to back them up.
However without an all-star PG the Celtics wouldn't have been in the Finals much less a few points from winning a game 7.
Derek Fisher proved to be another case of the on/off switch since his play elevated from the reg season to the playoffs. He can play annoying defense on Allen, knows how to pace and play in the playoffs, uncanny flopping ability all over the court, able to get calls/charges, and still hits big shots. In the regular season he's going to get destroyed though and prove to be much more of a liability.
When it comes to winning basketball its still about fundamentals, defense, teamwork, and size. But I agree that the PG position isn't the one you really want to build around since basketball will always be a big man's game if the talent level is about equal.
It also sucks to rely on players that can be liabilities on one end of the court since guys like Rondo and even Dwight Howard have pretty disappointing and limited offensive games for being premier NBA players. Its also a lot easier to expose blatant weaknesses during the course of the playoffs and if a guy sucks at FT's and shooting in general...that makes it easier to defend.
too lazy to find the '10 Celtics > '08 Celtics claim.
Anyway, the Celtics were initially built around KG
Also, "close but no cigar" counts for something... just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it is impossible. This is pretty simple logic. Otherwise KG would never have won a le as the best player on a le team, and LeBron will never win a le.
"yet to prove it wrong". You say teams with ball dominant point guards don't win. Tony Parker finals MVP. Rondo was in Game 7 of the NBA finals as his teams best player throughout the playoffs. That is winning.
Numberghazstrodamus: Rondo's useage rate this year was in the same ballpark and lower than Parker in '03, '05, and '07 and Billups in '04.
Also, ask yourself this. If you swap Rondo with Fisher, so the Celts have Fish and LA has Rondo, does LA lose? If not, then this makes no sense.
Of course DoK is hating, Rondo was almost a pHOENIX SUN
Tony Parker won finals MVP as a scoring PG. Cut the bull , don't even try to say for a second he was a ball dominant PG, plus he was the 3rd best player on his team who win finals MVP against the worst team to ever reach the finals.
Wrong, the Suns never planned on drafting Rondo. Try again init2winit.
LOL now you want to throw out qualifiers. TP, for a PG, dominates the ball a good amount. The offense is designed around that partially.
"Worst team ever to reach a finals"...........So. It just punched a hole in your stupid theory.
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