Only Kobe could manage to win a Championship while having his legacy take a hit

[Mikesatx]

Kobe's game 7 choke job will be remembered every single time someone talks about his legacy.

In a pressure situation where he had to carry his team, he stunk so bad you can smell it from the moon.

and his team had to bail him out, testament to a stacked Lakers team full of talent and not kobe's greatness.

Jam is pretty spot on with all takes in this thread.

Kobe shot like in game 7 but they don't win without him. He was clearly the best player on the court for the series.

Just like most don't remember Jordan's poor game 6 performance no one will remember anything but Kobe being the best player on a championship team in 2010.

Hate Kobe if you want and I do but don't bull yourself.

[MiamiHeat]

Class act Miami is....

LOL MAKING FUN OF NBA PLAYERS IN WHEELCHAIRS EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR

LOL SAYING RAPE DOESNT MATTER AS YOU MAKE FUN OF THE SITUATION AND DEFEND KOBE

LOL CHEERING FOR A RAPIST

really, dumbest poster on ST.

I have no pity.

[MiamiHeat]

Jam is pretty spot on with all takes in this thread.

Kobe shot like in game 7 but they don't win without him. He was clearly the best player on the court for the series.

Just like most don't remember Jordan's poor game 6 performance no one will remember anything but Kobe being the best player on a championship team in 2010.

Hate Kobe if you want and I do but don't bull yourself.

lol 73 post count. jamstone or laker fans multiple accounts

[JamStone]

Kobe's game 7 choke job will be remembered every single time someone talks about his legacy.

In a pressure situation where he had to carry his team, he stunk so bad you can smell it from the moon.

and his team had to bail him out, testament to a stacked Lakers team full of talent and not kobe's greatness.

Disagree. Winning erases that memory for most people just like most people forget Jordan's game 6 in 1996.

Kobe haters like you will remember it. But most people won't. They'll remember the Lakers won the le and Kobe won Finals MVP.

[Killakobe81]

LOL Jamstone once again. Time to set him straight, once again.

1) Game 6, 1996 NBA Finals was NOT an elimination game for the Bulls. Chicago was up 3-2 going into Game 6, which means it was an elimination game for the Sonics, NOT THE BULLS. Chicago was only looking to close out the series, but MJ was in no danger of being eliminated that night.

COMPLETELY different scenario than a Game 7, win or go home for Kobe.

So JamStone = WRONG, strike 1

2) Jordan was guarded all series by Defensive Player of the Year, Gary Payton. Yeah, 1996 is the year Gary won DPOY.


FACT = Gary Payton is the ONLY POINT GUARD IN NBA HISTORY TO WIN DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He is a future Hall of Famer as soon as he is eligible.

Payton also has 9 All-NBA Defensive teams. Gary Payton is among the best defensive players that have EVER PLAYED IN THE NBA, period. He is a Hall of Famer

Who was guarding Kobe Bryant?

Ray Allen, and Tony Allen. Neither player has won a DPOY, or even a SINGLE appearance on an All-Defensive team. Neither player has EVER won a single defensive recognition.

JamStone = wrong again, strike 2

I will save strike 3 for later.

Sad, so sad ...obsession ...

[cobbler]

LOL MAKING FUN OF NBA PLAYERS IN WHEELCHAIRS EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR.

Never happend. I made fun like everyone else that he made such a dramatic exit and entrance. The chair was just the tool. The humor was in his drama queen antics. Wrong again!

LOL SAYING RAPE DOESNT MATTER AS YOU MAKE FUN OF THE SITUATION AND DEFEND KOBE.

Never happened. Rape is a serious issue. The argument was about racism and I said I could accept Pau's response that it was meant as a playful joke. That got expanded by your buddy Harlet and he insinuated that I make fun of rape. Never happend. That I can differentiate between an off color joke and reality and Harlet and you cannot is not my concern. Wrong again!

LOL CHEERING FOR A RAPIST.

Proof? Of course not.

I have no shame.

Fixed!


Keep trying...

[peteee]

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?

mother ing cosigned, got.

it's just like calling Big Show off and inviting him in a running race with you. You start at the same starting-line from exactly the same distance from the revolver so it looks perfectly a fair game, but you know it's not a fair race for Show first of all and you're surely going to win.

[cobbler]

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?

Because they were playing with their feet and were in defensive position as opposed to being out of gas and resulting to reaching and hacking.

It's not rocket science.

[Mikesatx]

lol 73 post count. jamstone or laker fans multiple accounts

Can't argue with my 73 wait now I have 74 posts. You have a Pistons fan laying out well thought out arguments of nothing more than Kobe's legacy shouldn't take a hit. A Spurs fan looking at that along with the puke you are spewing and agreeing with the Piston's fan. If our intelligence was determined by our post count you would still be a re on this board. Just looking at your points you are still a re . With that logic I guess post count doesn't mean a whole lot at least for you.

[cobbler]

Sad, so sad ...obsession ...

The OBSESSION is huge in this one. Poster boy for "butthurt".

[freedom&justice]

I'm not ignoring game 7 but I put the rest of the Finals series in perspective for Kobe. You don't take away his game 7 shooting. That's an obvious and absolutely legitimate criticism. But once again, look at the shooting by both clubs in the series. Take away Kobe's field goals and field goals attempted and the shooting for the series is still under 43% by both teams combined. KG had a good shooting series. Odom and Gasol were pretty good. But Kobe is what he is. He's a volume scorer. He'll take a lot of shots and he's going to miss his share. He's not about efficiency. He's about the end result, winning. I say it's fair to criticize him for that. But as a fan, I don't care if a player shoots 75% from the field or 25% from the field as long as the team wins.

And what gets me is how Kobe "haters" (call it whatever you like) or his critics spin the game to discredit no matter what happens. You know it's easy to bash Kobe for his shooting last night. But most "critics" ignore the fact that Kobe actually stopped shooting last night because he knew he wasn't shoot good enough. He took 14 shots in the first half. He ended with shooting 24 shots for the night. He only took 4 shots in the fourth quarter and one of them was a shock clock winding down three pointer. He stopped taking those forced jumpers. I'm sure everyone in the world expected him to take like 12-15 FGA in that fourth quarter, fanbois and haters alike. But you know what, there isn't a soul who will give him credit for actually being more judicious with his shot selection late in a close game where everything was on the line and where he was shooting so poorly. That goes unnoticed because of the bottomline boxscore. Kobe is the only superstar player in any major sport who will catch heat no matter what he does. Passes the ball and doesn't take a lot of shots, and he's quitting on his team and can't take over. Try and save his team by taking over and he's selfish. He catches heat no matter what. That's what gets me.

I give factual support to show that it goes beyond the shooting, critics still want to discredit it. They fall back on well he's always sucked in the Finals. Or he's still not better than Jordan. It's a never ending string of hate just because they hate him as a person, hate the Lakers, or hate the Laker fans or Kobe fans. Whatever. There are an extremely few number of non Laker fans that actually give Kobe the appropriate credit.

ESPN. those Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose Kobe knobslobbers. I'm just talking fans. Yeah, the media gets on Kobe's nuts. not as much as LeBron or Brett Favre, but there's enough in the media. But regular fans, if they aren't a fan of Kobe or the Lakers, the hate goes to extreme. That's what I see. And that's probably a big reason I'm always defending the cat so much. Truth be told, I think Kobe Bryant is a ing prick of a person. I think he's probably a horrible husband and an apathetic father. I think he's been a horrible teammate for much of his career and I think his ego is as bad as any pro athlete out there now. But, I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant the player. I think he's been one of the best players in the history of the game. I think his talent is as much a product of his worth ethic and personal desire and determination as it is his natural God given talent. And that's why I'm a fan of his, as a player. Kobe the person can go himself. Kobe the player is amazing. I'll buy a ticket to watch him play any day. Yeah, I'm a Kobe apologist, and I'm personally probably a product of the Kobe "haters."

[baseline bum]

My post was to suggest it would be as ridiculous to suggest Artest deserved the Finals MVP as much as it would have been to suggest Longley deserved it in 1996. Either is ridiculous. To which varying degree, that wasn't my point.

Artest winning Finals MVP isn't ridiculous like Longley of all people getting it. Los Angeles won the le because their defense was outstanding, and that started with Artest making sure Pierce had to give up the ball a lot, take tough shots, and hold the ball too much. He was the main reason it was such a struggle for Boston to get anything in the half court for most of the series. There were so many times Boston just pissed their 24 seconds away because Pierce would get the ball, find out he wasn't in a good position to attack Artest, dump it back to Rondo, call for it again, still find nothing good, and then be forced to take a low percentage jumpshot. Artest ensured there would be no repeat of Pierce shredding the Lakers defense inside/out like in 08. Of course they don't win the series without Kobe, but they also don't win that series without any one of Artest, Gasol, Fisher, or Bynum either. Kobe was too much McGrady/Iverson this series, instead of being the Kobe they needed from the WCF. LA has to feel like they escaped with this le.

[melo061]

@ the all bitter haters. Kobe won the championship. The record books will say 2010 NBA FINALS MVP- KOBE BRYANT. Deal with it and move on. Kobe's legacy was bolstered by this championship. His team beat the hated celtics.

[namlook]

Shooting 25% from the field in a Finals Game 7.

Jordan shooting 26% from the field in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals.

[greyforest]

nba sucks stern sucks

[Chieflion]

Jordan shooting 26% from the field in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals.

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Anthony Randolph

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?

Because they were playing with their feet and were in defensive position as opposed to being out of gas and resulting to reaching and hacking.

It's not rocket science.

But on the other end the Lakers legs were as fresh as the scent of Kobmes undies to your noze?

[Goran Dragic]

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?

[namlook]

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?

Wow, are you really this much of a moron.

LOL. Now this is a true Jordan ball-washer. "Jordan's game was better because he shot 26% instead of 25%."

Never mind the the Celtics were a much better defensive team than the Sonics, that Kobe grabbed 15 boards knowing that the team that won each game won the rebounding battle, and that Kobe helped harrass Ray Allen into 3-14 shooting.

[pauls931]

Kobe is a badass, just STFU everyone.

[BullsDynasty]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

You're joking aren't you? HaHa you're right that is funny.

[BullsDynasty]

Jordan's Points and FG% in all of his series clinching games starting from 1991.

I've highlighted his games where he shot under .500%

1991

1st round
39 Points .500%

2nd round
38 Points .452%

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
30 Points .522%




1992

1st round
56 Points .667% << GODLY

2nd round
29 Points .370

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
33 Points .522%


1993

1st round
39 Points .571%

2nd round
31 Points .458%

ECF
25 Points .333%

Finals
33 Points .500%


1996

1st round
26 Points .435%

2nd round
35 Points .448%

ECF
45 Points .696% << GODLY

Finals
22 Points .263%


1997

1st round
28 Points .583%

2nd round
24 Points .591%

ECF
28 Points .355%

Finals
39 Points .429%


1998

1st round
38 Points .727% << GODLY

2nd round
33 Points .517%

ECF
28 Points .360%

Finals
45 Points .429%

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Game 7 will only tarnish Kobes legacy in the mind of MiamiHeat. At the end of the day he has 5 rings. And theres nothing miamiheat can do about it.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Game 7 will only tarnish Kobes legacy in the mind of MiamiHeat. At the end of the day he has 5 rings. And there ain't nothing miamiheat can do about it.

[Fabbs]

Kobes legacy is not tarnished.