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    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20...=2547-1_3-0-20

    Senators propose granting president emergency Internet power
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    .Share5290 18diggsdiggA new U.S. Senate bill would grant the president far-reaching emergency powers to seize control of or even shut down portions of the Internet.

    The legislation announced Thursday says that companies such as broadband providers, search engines, or software firms that the government selects "shall immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" by the Department of Homeland Security. Anyone failing to comply would be fined.

    That emergency authority would allow the federal government to "preserve those networks and assets and our country and protect our people," Joe Lieberman, the primary sponsor of the measure and the chairman of the Homeland Security committee, told reporters on Thursday. Lieberman is an independent senator from Connecticut who caucuses with the Democrats.

    Because there are few limits on the president's emergency power, which can be renewed indefinitely, the densely worded 197-page bill (PDF) is likely to encounter stiff opposition.

    TechAmerica, probably the largest U.S. technology lobby group, said it was concerned about "unintended consequences that would result from the legislation's regulatory approach" and "the potential for absolute power." And the Center for Democracy and Technology publicly worried that the Lieberman bill's emergency powers "include authority to shut down or limit Internet traffic on private systems."

    The idea of an Internet "kill switch" that the president could flip is not new. A draft Senate proposal that CNET obtained in August allowed the White House to "declare a cybersecurity emergency," and another from Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) would have explicitly given the government the power to "order the disconnection" of certain networks or Web sites.

    On Thursday, both senators lauded Lieberman's bill, which is formally led the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, or PCNAA. Rockefeller said "I commend" the drafters of the PCNAA. Collins went further, signing up at a co-sponsor and saying at a press conference that "we cannot afford to wait for a cyber 9/11 before our government realizes the importance of protecting our cyber resources."

    Under PCNAA, the federal government's power to force private companies to comply with emergency decrees would become unusually broad. Any company on a list created by Homeland Security that also "relies on" the Internet, the telephone system, or any other component of the U.S. "information infrastructure" would be subject to command by a new National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications (NCCC) that would be created inside Homeland Security.

    The only obvious limitation on the NCCC's emergency power is one paragraph in the Lieberman bill that appears to have grown out of the Bush-era flap over warrantless wiretapping. That limitation says that the NCCC cannot order broadband providers or other companies to "conduct surveillance" of Americans unless it's otherwise legally authorized.

    Lieberman said Thursday that enactment of his bill needed to be a top congressional priority. "For all of its 'user-friendly' allure, the Internet can also be a dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets," he said. "Our economic security, national security and public safety are now all at risk from new kinds of enemies--cyber-warriors, cyber-spies, cyber-terrorists and cyber-criminals."


    A new cybersecurity bureaucracy

    Lieberman's proposal would form a powerful and extensive new Homeland Security bureaucracy around the NCCC, including "no less" than two deputy directors, and liaison officers to the Defense Department, Justice Department, Commerce Department, and the Director of National Intelligence. (How much the NCCC director's duties would overlap with those of the existing assistant secretary for infrastructure protection is not clear.)

    The NCCC also would be granted the power to monitor the "security status" of private sector Web sites, broadband providers, and other Internet components. Lieberman's legislation requires the NCCC to provide "situational awareness of the security status" of the portions of the Internet that are inside the United States -- and also those portions in other countries that, if disrupted, could cause significant harm.

    Selected private companies would be required to participate in "information sharing" with the Feds. They must "certify in writing to the director" of the NCCC whether they have "developed and implemented" federally approved security measures, which could be anything from encryption to physical security mechanisms, or programming techniques that have been "approved by the director." The NCCC director can "issue an order" in cases of noncompliance.

    The prospect of a vast new cybersecurity bureaucracy with power to command the private sector worries some privacy advocates. "This is a plan for an auto-immune reaction," says Jim Harper, director of information studies at the libertarian Cato Ins ute. "When something goes wrong, the government will attack our infrastructure and make society weaker."

    To sweeten the deal for industry groups, Lieberman has included a tantalizing offer absent from earlier drafts: immunity from civil lawsuits. If a software company's programming error costs customers billions, or a broadband provider intentionally cuts off its customers in response to a federal command, neither would be liable.

    If there's an "incident related to a cyber vulnerability" after the president has declared an emergency and the affected company has followed federal standards, plaintiffs' lawyers cannot collect damages for economic harm. And if the harm is caused by an emergency order from the Feds, not only does the possibility of damages virtually disappear, but the U.S. Treasury will even pick up the private company's tab.

    Another sweetener: A new White House office would be charged with forcing federal agencies to take cybersecurity more seriously, with the power to jeopardize their budgets if they fail to comply. The likely effect would be to increase government agencies' demand for security products.

    Tom Gann, McAfee's vice president for government relations, stopped short of criticizing the Lieberman bill, calling it a "very important piece of legislation."

    McAfee is paying attention to "a number of provisions of the bill that could use work," Gann said, and "we've certainly put some focus on the emergency provisions."

    Last updated at 9:14 p.m. PT.

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    Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act?

    Lieberman and Rockefeller are some funny dudes, putting another layer of inefficient bureaucracy between the users and the internet. I'm no expert on teh internets themselves, but this totally sounds like it can do more harm than good. And you don't even need a tinfoil hat to see that!

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    Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act?

    Lieberman and Rockefeller are some funny dudes, putting another layer of inefficient bureaucracy between the users and the internet. I'm no expert on teh internets themselves, but this totally sounds like it can do more harm than good. And you don't even need a tinfoil hat to see that!
    This isn't protecting the internet, it's making the means to seize control of it. Think about it. The Socialist/Marxists cannot allow free speech when they begin the actual take-over.

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    Wasn't the whole purpose of internet a network that cannot be taken down?

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    This has been posted...it has subpoena protections for individuals and it's a bill sponsored by Joe Lieberman with no co-sponsor yet, I believe...

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    Wasn't the whole purpose of internet a network that cannot be taken down?
    I thought so too. Silly me.

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    Wasn't the whole purpose of internet a network that cannot be taken down?
    It can't be shut down completely but if they use enough toilet paper at one time they could probably clog up the tubes enough to make it pretty much unusable.

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    This isn't protecting the internet, it's making the means to seize control of it. Think about it. The Socialist/Marxists cannot allow free speech when they begin the actual take-over.
    While I agree with the first part of your reply, the second part is indicative of the tinfoil hat stuff I was referring to in my post. I noticed the same conspiracies under the Bush administration, it is nothing new. And the "Socialist/Marxist/Communist" name calling game is only used to suit the needs of the current administration's opponents...just as it was used back in the day for a variety of things.


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    It can't be shut down completely but if they use enough toilet paper at one time they could probably clog up the tubes enough to make it pretty much unusable.
    It's always been this way from day one. If you control the top level domain nameservers (DNS), run by InterNIC, which is Network Solutions and ICANN. Those two organizations alone could muck things up pretty quick and make the vaste majority of the internet unaccessible. The only things you'd be able to get to is what you had mapped on your own servers, unless of course, you've memorized the IP addresses of all your favorite porn...I mean websites. Even then, they could block entire blocks of IP addresses, although, as long as there was a route it could find it would get there. It would require also controlling the big telecom companies as well as InterNIC. Shut down a few big routers, block IP addresses. It could all be done, in a matter of hours if not minutes.

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    welcome to the New World Order.

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    the reason he wants to have control of the internet
    people can find how many laws the president is breaking

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    We're at war -- the president can do anything he wants.

    Remember that argument?

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    We're at war -- the president can do anything he wants.

    Remember that argument?
    Yeah, but Bush didn't abuse his absolute power...ever.

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    That's the proper label for what would actually happen if the internet were shut down.

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    Its actually pretty hilarious to see republicans go all up in arms over this, but when the previous adminitration did similar or worse, you could hear the ing crickets.

    Don't get me wrong, I think their sentiment is right. This is bull . I just find the double standard hilarious. Ofcourse, this also applies to Democrats that don't say now.

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    Its actually pretty hilarious to see republicans go all up in arms over this, but when the previous adminitration did similar or worse, you could hear the ing crickets.

    Don't get me wrong, I think their sentiment is right. This is bull . I just find the double standard hilarious. Ofcourse, this also applies to Democrats that don't say now.
    I don't see the similarity. What did I miss? When did the last administration try to put methods in place to take control?

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    We're at war -- the president can do anything he wants.

    Remember that argument?
    ducks never ever said that

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    ducks never ever said that
    I think Chump is just being a big Chump again.

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    ducks never ever said that
    How could anyone tell?

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    the reason he wants to have control of the internet
    people can find how many laws the president is breaking
    Joe Lieberman wants the president to have this type of control so people can't find out about Obama breaking laws?

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    Joe Lieberman wants the president to have this type of control so people can't find out about Obama breaking laws?
    That doesn't sound like Lieberman to me. I disagree with his politics, but I at least give him some credit.

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    Where's my answer:

    Its actually pretty hilarious to see republicans go all up in arms over this, but when the previous adminitration did similar or worse, you could hear the ing crickets.

    Don't get me wrong, I think their sentiment is right. This is bull . I just find the double standard hilarious. Ofcourse, this also applies to Democrats that don't say now.
    I don't see the similarity. What did I miss? When did the last administration try to put methods in place to take control?

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    I don't see the similarity. What did I miss?
    Apparently a lot of school.

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    So wait, let me get this straight:

    When the President asks for the power to detain suspects indefinitely without trial, the Right is happy.

    When the President asks for the power to shut down the Internet in case of suspected nefarious activity, the Right is not happy.

    <----confused

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