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Oh yeah, and 9 rebounds a game is "no rebounding"
Jesus .
This is the stupid that pisses me off about this damn message board and the homer fans that post here. No way you give up Splitter for the best center in the Western Conference and possibly the best center in the game? Thats so damn ridiculous.
The rap on Amare's defense was far more warranted in the past but everything that came out of Pheonix this season was about him warming up to Gentry asking him to play better D. You set him up next to Tim Duncan as a roaming shot blocker and you can forget about him being a liability on defense.
Also, you're insane if you think the Manu/Parker pick and roll with Amare would be anything less than the Nash/Amare pick and roll.
But yeah, lets not give up a guy who we'll be extremely happy with if he averages 12 and 8.
God damn I hate some of you.
Oh yeah, and 9 rebounds a game is "no rebounding"
Jesus .
I don't think you can forget about Amare's crap defense simply by sticking him next to Duncan. Amare is very overrated imo. That does not mean he is still not a very good player, but some concerns about him are very valid.
Well, it's hard to discuss this with any seriousness when it is completely unsubstantiated, but anyone who would not want Amare Stoudemire on this team is a ing re .
i don't know about anyone else...but i saw him play some D in the playoffs this year. just sayin'
Would you balk at a deal for Amare if it included Splitter?
Not necessarily, but if I am looking at getting Amare at a max contact, no thanks.
Granted that Amare is a far better player than Splitter ever will be. However, is it not a concern that:
A) Amare will pout if not given enough shots, and could disrupt chemistry.
B) At this point in his career, Tim is also a better help defender than on-ball, leading to some awkward matchups (someone has to guard the opponent's best big man).
C) Amare will want a large contract, so even if he opts out and tells Phoenix that he wants a sign-and-trade to San Antonio or else he walks, he'll still demand $14+M per season. Adding that to potentially extending Parker's contract, and we go from the second circle of tax straight to the ninth.
Amare >>>>>> Splitter any day, but given what it would take to get him, I can see why some fans would rather the Spurs just sign Splitter and let Amare go elsewhere.
Yeah because the spurs can afford to hol out and wait for other free agents.
If Phoenix says they'd do a sign and trade for rj Blair and the first pick I immediately ask where's the paper to sign for?
I don't know why I even bother.
Amare is still a poor post defender....very poor actually. But he gets the occasional shotblock.
Exactly.
Amare is a sure-fire perennial all-star, but he plays one end of the court - ONLY. He's not deserving of a max contract because he's NOT a max player.
Some of you need to stop drinking the Amare kool-aid.
Did you see the Laker series by the way
3,6,4,and 4 rebound games...
How about this for a stat line... 0, zero, cero assists for the last 4 games of the series...
It isn't like we are lying about what type of player he is...
Great talent to score the ball but if you expect him to be a difference maker in other areas... it is just dimwitted.
Exactly. He also had "0" assists in the final 3 games of that series. This guy is so concerned with offense only that Pau Gasol ran rings around him.
As Colin Cowherd describes him, "Amare Stoudamire is the dumb NBA fan's player." He doesn't play defense, is a poor rebounder, and doesn't make anyone around him better.
Amare is a veteran all-star-level player. He thinks he's a superstar, so he's not likely to want to work at rounding out his game. The Spurs already are having trouble defending the pick-n-roll. THe last thing they need is an athletic big, who is a notoriously poor rebounder and lazy defender.
He wouldn't last 2 games with Pop as head coach. Enjoy the Sportscenter dunks. No thanks.
With the "defense" SA has been playing of late, Amare would be more of a fit than ppl think, unfortunately.
That is a wild assumption. As I said, completely unsubstantiated, but Amare is a of a player and he fills in the gaps that are starting to appear in Duncan's game. In a perfect world, I would take him in a heartbeat, but it's not happening.
Well, the Suns don't have Tim Duncan in the post. Amare is good, but he had no help in the post against L.A.
I agree
You also think Bonner is a great basketball player.
Amare isn't coming for the MLE, so it is a moot point.
Splitter is actually realistic...
I would love to have Lebron but we all have come to terms that we have Jefferson as our SF right now.
Get the point?
I would take him for minimum money.
Basically if the Suns is gonna take RJ off the team and ask for Blair + 1st rd pick and give us Amare in a S&T, its a good deal. We can sign Tiago as part of MLE and used him and Dice as backup to TD and Amare. If Tiago plays hardball, we can use the MLE to acquire a defensive SF and we are more or less set.
Not too worried about Amare's Defense. At this point, if he is willing to come over to win a championship, i think he would buy into the team's policy
Lopez? Robin Lopez? Let me get this straight. It is your contention that Robin Lopez is a better defender than Tim Duncan?
I can't have this discussion anymore.
I agree that Splitter for Amare is a trade we should go for, but I think you are overstating how well Amare would fit into our system. Amare played better D for half a season. I don't think that is long enough for us to consider consistent. He would get lost on our defensive schemes. He's not really a smart player. He's intuitive, but Pop's approach robs most players of their instinctiveness. It's all about memorizing where to be and how to rotate and I think its safe to say that Amare would get lost.
Also, Nash is the perfect partner for Amare. Manu is very good in the pick and roll and Parker is good, but no way do they compare to Nash. Nash is one of the best of all time running the pick and roll.
That's the whole point right there. In addition to watching him play, one need only listen to some of his ridiculous comments to realize that he doesn't have the highest BBIQ in the NBA.
I don't think anyone is proclaiming that Splitter is as good or better than Amare. That would be insane. However, the fact is when Splitter walks onto an NBA court for the first time, he will instantly be a better defender than Amare.
We're not a great defensive team anymore and TD's decline is a big part of that. Basically, he's running around in lead shoes on defense. His rotations are substantially slower. The instincts are there but he's just not as good as he used to be. It's part of aging.
I don't think Robin is as good as TD is, but I would not expect TD to be able to cover for all the mistakes Amare would make either. With weak perimeter D, we can't suffer from any more defensive breakdowns in the post. Amare *might* surprise us on D but based on history and motivation, it isn't a good expectation.
Amare could help us score when we go through droughts but I don't see him integrating fully into the team.
More importantly, it's not like he really wants to come here. Whatever he said should be taken for a full-on lie to get attention from the Suns or other teams. Bucher likes to buddy up to players like Kobe so I'm not taking this as serious journalism either.
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