Is there an advanced stat Jordan doesn't destroy Kobe in?

[HarlemHeat37]

Lol Bill Russell >> Jordan..

[Pero]

Only one stat matters when it is all said and done.

Rings!

The players count les.... not stats.

Shaq, Kobe, and TD having a conversation....

Kobe: I have 5! Leaving you two in the dust now!

Shaq: But but but... I was 1A and you were 1B for 3 of them so my tally is worth more.

TD: But but but... My advanced stats are clearly better than yours so 4 > 5!!!

Kobe:

... MJ, your next!!!!

LMAO, more like TD would say: Oh god, when are you two going to grow up?

[Ghazi]

I always find it comical when Lakers fans say "I can care less, as long as we keep winnin rings"... um, like no sherlock... that doesn't make you some sort of pious fan or true fan anything like that.. youre just stating something ing obvious. just my 2 cents on this irrelevant topic.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, to be fair, Laker fans are actually on the team when they win les.. , Gobbler is even telling us what NBA players talk about, implying that he actually knows..

[cobbler]

Lol Bill Russell >> Jordan..

Better at winning les...

[TheMACHINE]

Kobe haters compare Kobe to Jordan. So if you want to stop hearing comparisons, tell all your homies to STFU.

[cobbler]

Well, to be fair, Laker fans are actually on the team when they win les.. , Gobbler is even telling us what NBA players talk about, implying that he actually knows..

When MJ had 4 les... his said his goal was to top Magics 5. Simple as that. He didn't comment on wanting to top Magics stats or have the best shooting %, winshares, points etc etc

I played many years and at any level its about les. I have yet to be in a conversation with opponents and have stats be a determining factor in one upsmanship.

And since you are obsessed with me and who I know or do not know, I have been in many many conversations with NBA players over the years with my connections through USA basketball and Laker locker room access.

Maybe when you get past being cut and actually make a team... you too can see the game beyond a stat sheet.

[cobbler]

I always find it comical when Lakers fans say "I can care less, as long as we keep winnin rings"... um, like no sherlock... that doesn't make you some sort of pious fan or true fan anything like that.. youre just stating something ing obvious. just my 2 cents on this irrelevant topic.

What would a Mav or Mav fan know about winning rings?

[Veterinarian]

What would a Mav or Mav fan know about winning rings?

He gets ESPN/ABC too.

[spizzle_tronk]

u mad

[JamStone]

What would a Mav or Mav fan know about winning rings?

Same as any "fan" of a team that has actually won rings.

[cobbler]

Apparently the sarcasm wasn't grasped.

[lotr1trekkie]

Stats don't always tell the story and neither do rings. If that were true the 60's Celtics would have the best players at every position. How many of you clowns have ever seen West, Baylor, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain, Thurman, Kareem, the Pearl, Frazier, Archibal, Walton in their primes?
If your knowledge of basketball begins in the 90's you have missed a lot. It is really too bad we can't bring these athletes back to compete against each other. If Russel was playing for the Celtics this year, the Lakers lose in 5. If West was playing for the Lakers at SG the Lakers sweep. Everyone goes bonkers over Fisher. That was a subnormal performance for Jerry West. If Pete Maravich and Rick Barry were playing with today's rules they would be lighting up the score sheet. Kobe and James are clearly the most dominant players in the league now but you can't make comparisons unless Kobe had to cover MJ in his prime.

[JamStone]

Apparently the sarcasm wasn't grasped.

Hard to tell when that is the type of comment some posters on these boards actually use in all seriousness.

[Chieflion]

Matt Bonner: I got 1 ring, es.

Brian Scalabrine: Hey, I got 1 ring too.

Adam Morrison: Shut the up, posers, I got 2 rings.

[cobbler]

Matt Bonner: I got 1 ring, es.

Brian Scalabrine: Hey, I got 1 ring too.

Adam Morrison: Shut the up, posers, I got 2 rings.

And that is just how the convo would go amoungst the scrubs.

Honestly.... If Magic, Bird, and MJ were in a conversation and taking trash what do you think would be the topic?

Magic would rib Larry cause he's got 5 to his 3. MJ would boast that he has 6. Come on. Do you honesty think Magic would say... but MJ... I made my teamates better. That Bird would argue... but Magic... I was a much better shooter than you.

It's a joke to think these guys consider stats. It's all about the rings. And they would laugh at the Bonners and Morrisons and simply say... yeah you have said amount of rings riding the pine.

The stats and advanced stats are for the media, analysts, and armchair GM's. Stats only tell a small portion of the game. From the players perspective, it's about championships. Plain and simple. It's the very reason Magic just went on record and said he considers Kobe and himself equal and if Kobe wins another that he would take the back seat.

And as lotr1trekkie stated, most of you never even saw players before the 80's other than video clips. It's impossibe to compare between eras. You guys missed out on some truly amazing players. Compe ion changes due to rule differences, expansion, travel, training, medical advances, nutrition, equiptment, etc etc...

And just for arguments sake... I don't have MJ or Kobe as GOAT so don't feed me the Kobe homer crap.

[Giuseppe]

^Cobby, the voice of reason & moderation in Championship times.

[Venti Quattro]

Rape charges beaten.

[HarlemHeat37]

When MJ had 4 les... his said his goal was to top Magics 5. Simple as that. He didn't comment on wanting to top Magics stats or have the best shooting %, winshares, points etc etc

I played many years and at any level its about les. I have yet to be in a conversation with opponents and have stats be a determining factor in one upsmanship.

And since you are obsessed with me and who I know or do not know, I have been in many many conversations with NBA players over the years with my connections through USA basketball and Laker locker room access.

Maybe when you get past being cut and actually make a team... you too can see the game beyond a stat sheet.

I'm not going to thoroughly acknowledge the fact that you think you know how NBA legends would converse based on the fact that you have met NBA players(so have I, I've even played with some through HS, as I've said here..so have many people here LOL)..I won't talk about the fact that you think you know about winning because you were good at wheelchair basketball, as if it's comparable to a pro basketball league that involves many politics, millions of $, and actual analysis that goes much deeper than the simple "X player has more rings than him"..

Do you believe Bill Russell is the GOAT?..simple question..if you answer yes, then I'll give you a pass, and your list of GOAT would make more sense..if not, it invalidates all your arguments and the beliefs that you've made clear here..

[Nahtanoj]

Based on statistics, Wilt Chamberlain destroys both Kobe and Jordan.

[cobbler]

I'm not going to thoroughly acknowledge the fact that you think you know how NBA legends would converse based on the fact that you have met NBA players(so have I, I've even played with some through HS, as I've said here..so have many people here LOL)..I won't talk about the fact that you think you know about winning because you were good at wheelchair basketball, as if it's comparable to a pro basketball league that involves many politics, millions of $, and actual analysis that goes much deeper than the simple "X player has more rings than him"..

Do you believe Bill Russell is the GOAT?..simple question..if you answer yes, then I'll give you a pass, and your list of GOAT would make more sense..if not, it invalidates all your arguments and the beliefs that you've made clear here..

I never said that was my opinion... I said from my experience that is what I see as a players perspective. Can you not read? GOAT is a subjective topic and you can make arguments for any of the top 10 or so players based on different criteria and GOAT was not part of this discussion.

GOAT can be defined in so many ways. Rings, individual athletic talent, fundementals, by position, team player, teamates, era, stats etc etc

I personally would choose the player or players that I feel had the most talent. The ones that when put on the floor one on one would take the other. I have wavered over the years between two players and I have seen nothing to change my mind. Wilt and Oscar. Russell is definelty high on the list.

That does not in anyway detract from my above posts. I have seen the talks between many players both in media and in person and I firmly believe that championships is the determining factor amoungst themselves. I know it is with my sport and friends. My posts above were in reference to STATS determining who the better player is. That simply isn't an argument I have seen AMOUNG players.

You can toss out your ignorant wheelchair comments all you want. At any level you can evaluate talent. Amature, college, international, pro, and yes even wheelchair ball. This isn't the first time you have mocked my sport or me for my success at it and it just shows you for the hater & fool you are. For someone who constanly tosses out the morals card... your high horse is severly flawed.

... and yeah... when I am evaluating basketball talent I often consider the politics and money involved.

[Smooth Criminal]

And that is just how the convo would go amoungst the scrubs.

Honestly.... If Magic, Bird, and MJ were in a conversation and taking trash what do you think would be the topic?

Magic would rib Larry cause he's got 5 to his 3. MJ would boast that he has 6. Come on. Do you honesty think Magic would say... but MJ... I made my teamates better. That Bird would argue... but Magic... I was a much better shooter than you.Yes, those 3 definitely would argue that, but the deciding factor would be number of rings. And the 2 with less would have no way to ultimatly one-up the guy with 6, just as the guy with 3 could never one-up the guy with 5.

It's a joke to think these guys consider stats. It's all about the rings. And they would laugh at the Bonners and Morrisons and simply say... yeah you have said amount of rings riding the pine. Maybe not stats but skills. MJ would say they were slow and couldnt jump, Bird would say they other two were way worse shooters than him, Magic would say neither were close to being as good of passers as he was, etc.

The stats and advanced stats are for the media, analysts, and armchair GM's. Stats only tell a small portion of the game. From the players perspective, it's about championships. Plain and simple. It's the very reason Magic just went on record and said he considers Kobe and himself equal and if Kobe wins another that he would take the back seat.

And as lotr1trekkie stated, most of you never even saw players before the 80's other than video clips. It's impossibe to compare between eras. You guys missed out on some truly amazing players. Compe ion changes due to rule differences, expansion, travel, training, medical advances, nutrition, equiptment, etc etc...

And just for arguments sake... I don't have MJ or Kobe as GOAT so don't feed me the Kobe homer crap.
Kareem?
I personally find myself leaning towards Magic as the GOAT but Kareem has a very strong case as well

[Veterinarian]

Magic would rib Larry cause he's got 5 to his 3. MJ would boast that he has 6. Come on. Do you honesty think Magic would say... but MJ... I made my teamates better. That Bird would argue... but Magic... I was a much better shooter than you.

Lol at your dumbass imagined conversations. Magic was saying Jordan was the greatest ever during his first three-peat. Magic had him destroyed in rings then and he was still saying to anyone who would listen to his boring ass that Jordan was better.

[Veterinarian]

actual>>>>>>>>>>>>>>imagined conversations

[BullsDynasty]

Stats don't always tell the story and neither do rings. If that were true the 60's Celtics would have the best players at every position. How many of you clowns have ever seen West, Baylor, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain, Thurman, Kareem, the Pearl, Frazier, Archibal, Walton in their primes?
If your knowledge of basketball begins in the 90's you have missed a lot. It is really too bad we can't bring these athletes back to compete against each other. If Russel was playing for the Celtics this year, the Lakers lose in 5. If West was playing for the Lakers at SG the Lakers sweep. Everyone goes bonkers over Fisher. That was a subnormal performance for Jerry West. If Pete Maravich and Rick Barry were playing with today's rules they would be lighting up the score sheet. Kobe and James are clearly the most dominant players in the league now but you can't make comparisons unless Kobe had to cover MJ in his prime.

I don't buy that crap. Every generation NBA players get athletic and better. Bill Russell looked dominant because he played against mostly weak players. Ive watched a few of the old 60s clips and their ball handling was mediocre, they barely knew how to run plays, and whenever Bill Russell blocked a shot its because the guy who shot it shoots it directly right over him. Its like there was no basketball I.Q or whatsover. Every generation a new type of player comes in and builds on what was already established and improves the game. We went from a transition of George Mikan to Russell to West to Magic/Bird to Jordan and now Lebron/Kobe. If Bill Russell was in his prime and I got to chose between him and Bynum I'd chose bynum because Bill Russell wouldnt be able to compete in today's era....