Parker wants trade if Hill starts

[TD 21]

Barring a no-brainer offer, I'm not in favor of a Parker trade. The Spurs would be foolish to let him go, as he's their only true PG and gives them their best chance (considering what they'd likely get back) to win a fifth championship, which is their supposed goal.

They'd be equally foolish to pull a Pistons and overrate their young talent. The Pistons did this just because they, like the Spurs, hadn't had a good young player in a while, so when they got Stuckey they got carried away with him. The Pistons thought he could play PG full time (even though it was obvious that he was more of an SG) and thought he could be the cornerstone of their (at the time) reload and now, rebuild. They were wrong on all accounts. To make matters worse, they parted with Billups in the process, their lone true PG, best player on their team and their leader. Billups has since proven he's had quite a bit left in the tank and the Pistons have gotten progressively worse since the trade.

Other than the best player/leader part, there's a lot of similarities between the two situations. Hopefully, the Spurs don't make the same mistake as the Pistons. Don't get me wrong, I like Hill, but he's not a true PG and is probably best served being a sixth man, similar to Gordon/Terry/Crawford.

[Gagnrath]

I just don't see trading Euither hill or Parker,

Its mostly about a 12 man roster you need at least 4 guards on that and prefer 5. Spurs have Parker, Hill, Manu, Temple. Parker is a PG first, can't guard most SG's doesn't have the jumptshot to really play on offense. Manu, can play either fairly well and has the ability to play some SF against smaller SF. Hill naturally a SG mentally on offense, a little bit raw with his handles and floor generalship to play full time pg but capable of being a decent back-up and playing significant minutes there has some problems with larger SG, and some of the better points also give him trouble but good at stopping most 1's and 2
s. Temple still a bit rough .mentally a pg but at 6-6 a sg body can guard either has some trouble with the fastest pg, I see plenty of playing time to go around no real issues there. you can't have tony and hill on the floor at the same time due to height against some teams and I'd be hesitant to have temple and hill on the floor for huge time during big games.other than that any combo on the floor at any time seems fine.

[Josepatches_]

Manu didn't start all these years and he didn't want to go.Of course Manu was better than Finley,Mason,Hill.....all them together.

If Hill starts it will be because Pop wants TP off the bench like he did with Manu.Tony has to accept it.If he can't do it then it's better to trade his ass.

[lurker23]

This argument, that Manu will wear down, is complete and utter fail. If Manu gets most of his minutes at 1 and lets George play 2, we could actually have Manu the playmaker on the floor more, doing less, while simultaneously extending his career. We dont lose the slashing ability of TP, we get more shooters on the floor, and our defense is immediately upgraded.

The problem with this idea is that Manu only has one gear, and that gear is all-out overdrive. Manu playing 35 minutes at the 1 is the same as Manu playing 35 minutes at the 2/3, and is ultimately unsustainable.

[ploto]

I assumed both would start-- Parker and Hill. Rotate Hill out when Manu comes in, give him a rest, and bring him back in when Tony comes out.

If the Spurs trade Parker, I still think it is because his contract expectations for next summer are so much greater than the Spurs will pay.

[Sissiborgo]

Hill is young! Parker is getting old and Hill has been playing much better than Parker so we should trade parker for the salary cap and sign a good SF if RJ leaves.

[lebomb]

Hill is young! Parker is getting old and Hill has been playing much better than Parker so we should trade parker for the salary cap and sign a good SF if RJ leaves.

28 is old? I guess a 35yr old Kidd and a 34yr old Nash are ancient.

28 is prime. If anything Hill is still too young to take over the reigns. Starting 20 games in lieu of an injured starter, doesnt make one an all star. Tony is still better than Hill at this point. In 5yrs? Maybe not.

[rascal]

It's really interesting that people say if Tony is asked to come off the bench, he should demand a trade. With this logic, Manu would have been traded 5 years ago and people on this board would have killed him for not being a "team player".

If Pop deems that the team is better suited with Hill starting and Tony coming off the bench (not that Pop would decide this, but if he did) then Tony should shut his mouth and come off the bench, the same way Manu did. If he doesn't like it he can leave in free agency next year. But what makes Parker so much more special than Manu?

Manu doesn't mind coming off the bench and playing limited minutes. That is the difference.

[FkLA]

Other than the best player/leader part, there's a lot of similarities between the two situations. Hopefully, the Spurs don't make the same mistake as the Pistons. Don't get me wrong, I like Hill, but he's not a true PG and is probably best served being a sixth man, similar to Gordon/Terry/Crawford.

Or the part about Stuckey being a scorer while Chauncey was a floor general, whereas Parker is far from being a general. Or that Hill brings alot more to the table than Stuckey. But youre right other than that the best player, floor general, quality of the young talent, and leader part the scenarios are the same.

[Agloco]

This argument, that Manu will wear down, is complete and utter fail. If Manu gets most of his minutes at 1 and lets George play 2, we could actually have Manu the playmaker on the floor more, doing less, while simultaneously extending his career. We dont lose the slashing ability of TP, we get more shooters on the floor, and our defense is immediately upgraded.

Agreed. Your argument is complete and utter fail.

The problem with this idea is that Manu only has one gear, and that gear is all-out overdrive. Manu playing 35 minutes at the 1 is the same as Manu playing 35 minutes at the 2/3, and is ultimately unsustainable.

This. lol @ people who want Manu on the floor for extended minutes. He's a liability at the end of the season if you do that.

[TimDunkem]

^ lol No .

Let's have Manu be our main ball-handler all season long so defenses can put pressure on him all game. He can then swap positions with Hill and play the 2!

That'll surely prolong his career! Championship!

[Ginobilly]

Don't worry people, Parker is not going anywhere. Pop is just pulling a "Phil Jackson" on Parker through the media in order to get his head straight and motivate him for the upcoming season. It's no secret that the Spurs FO hasn't been to happy with Parkers off season decisions last year. I have a feeling that Pop is going to stick with the same starting lineup of Hill, Manu, Jefferson, Duncan, and I could see Splitter eventually starting if they get him. If Parker starts ing halfway through the season about it, the Spurs will trade him. Manu has raised the bar too high on being a real team player in the NBA. The Spurs expect him to do the same. If not, ship his ass out!

[FkLA]

Yeah because Parker would be traded for a bag of peanuts...

Hill should improve over the summer, hopefully RJ can have a better 2nd year ala Brent Barry, Timmy will still be formidable, Tiago should bring different things to the table, Blair should make strides. Add those things to the fact that the player in return should be a quality player and there's no reason why Manu would have to shoulder an offensive load he cant handle next year.

[nbaman99]

Keep parker and keep hill.

[NewJerSpur]

I'm cool myself with Hill starting......alongside Tony at the 2.

[JustinJDW]

Paker and Hill are both probably going to start together anyway, and Ginobili will probably start coming off the Bench again, so I don't know what everyone is ing about.