Dallas Mavericks off-season thread

[Findog]

Still, who would the Mavs give up? If they can trade Stevenson, Carroll, or Barea for him, cool. Anything else is too much unless they do a 3-way trade and get some other pieces back. If the Mavs could find a way get Brandon Bass back along with Gortat, that would be pretty cool though, lol.

Stevenson has 1 year left on his deal. If the Magic didn't care about getting talent back, that would be a way to get pure cap relief.

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Stevenson has 1 year left on his deal. If the Magic didn't care about getting talent back, that would be a way to get pure cap relief.

True. If Mavs can pull of sending him and a 2nd rounder or something for Gortat, that would be pretty nice.

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nothing short of lebron or wade to dallas is going to matter, who gives a

dont be gay

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just not giving a about pointless i'm not supposed to give a about, no surprises here..

dont be gay

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tbh our only hope is getting jefferson and iggy, having gooden come back, resigning haywood, and the emergence of roddy so that maybe we can round up enough talent by committee to compete and have all things go the right way.

my ideal (and reasonable) lineup for 2010-2011

PG - Kidd, Beaubois/Terry
SG - Beaubois, Terry/Butler
SF - Butler, Marion
PF - Dirk, Gooden
C - Jefferson, Gortat

A part of me wishes we could have Iggy instead of Butler, because of the added athleticism and youth, but I don't like his contract, and I really like Butler, his style, and he's a pretty clutch player too. Plays hard, doesn't try to do too much. Plus Butler only has 1 year on this contract, so I'm sure Mavs can resign him for cheaper next year.

[Edward]

tbh teams should be lining up if Minny wants to trade Jefferson. ACL replacements take awhile to recover from but it's a pretty high success rate of recovery, the Lakers should have shown everyone by now size wins in the playoffs, and right now all the Western teams are trying to catch LA in size.

[monosylab1k]

According to an article on dallasbasketball.com, the Mavs are reluctant to go after Andre Iguodala because he, Butler, and Marion are "basically the same player".

If anyone in the Mavs front office really truly believes that, we're completely ed. That means they can't scout or evaluate talent for .

[monosylab1k]

anyways, we won't see any big trades this offseason because the Mavs front office knows how to play things. I'm starting to think the DUST chip will go unused.

They can play the start of this season as "see what happens when Caron/Haywood have a full training camp! Team chemistry out the ass!"

Then as the team fades away around the trade deadline "we've got expiring contracts, we can make a move now!"

Then when the team makes a deadline trade, has to retool on the fly, and isn't prepared for the playoffs and lose in the first round "we ran into a buzzsaw"

Rinse, repeat.

[Edward]

Wow, that is really in stupid. Caron Butler is nothing like Iggy or Marion. Other than athleticism Iggy isn't similar to Marion at all given that one loves to have the ball in his hands and the other gets nervous whenever the ball is near him.

[monosylab1k]

we would essentially be the early 2000's mavericks, all offense and absolutely no defense except less talent on the perimeter and more in the post.

you act like this team plays any defense now.

[monosylab1k]

lets see, undersized SG's and a PF with no defensive presence playing center..hmm..i guess now when beaubois and terry get their asses busted and took to the hole we won't even have damp or haywood in the paint to alter the shot. this lineup is a recipe for disaster.

okay brah, and next season I don't want to hear you ing about how "we need someone who can score in the post!" like Mavs fans have been ing about for like 30 years now.

Every year it seems like Mavs fans say "the missing piece is a low post scorer!" then a low post scorer becomes available and it turns into "yeah but he's not the right low post scorer "

[Edward]

IMO Beaubois should start at the point for Dallas with Kidd off the bench. He doesn't have the size to ever play SG, so they might as well force him to learn PG on the fly, and Kidd can play a role with less pressure as the 6th man who can set things up for the 2nd unit. Everyone knows how much I hate volume assist PGs so I think if Roddy learns to pass the ball early if it's not there for him their offense will have a good flow, they won't have to worry about Beaubois being a ball hog. Terry/Marion also rely on Kidd's playmaking so they'll be better with him on the 2nd unit.

[monosylab1k]

Remember how everybody was ing that the Mavs were going after Zach Randolph?

"he sucks and he'll kill this team "

[monosylab1k]

IMO Beaubois should start at the point for Dallas with Kidd off the bench. He doesn't have the size to ever play SG, so they might as well force him to learn PG on the fly, and Kidd can play a role with less pressure as the 6th man who can set things up for the 2nd unit. Everyone knows how much I hate volume assist PGs so I think if Roddy learns to pass the ball early if it's not there for him their offense will have a good flow, they won't have to worry about Beaubois being a ball hog. Terry/Marion also rely on Kidd's playmaking so they'll be better with him on the 2nd unit.

tbh roddy will always have some ballhog tendencies to him. I think he can control those tendencies, but he'll always be a bit of a ballhog and chucker. His playmaking ability offsets that tho imo.

[monosylab1k]

ps brah..exactly what low post scorers have we ever had? seriously

exactly. every time the mavs look into getting one, mavs fans get all asshurt.

Chris Kaman
Zach Randolph
Al Jefferson

always an excuse why they shouldn't get a low post scorer on the trading block. then a bunch of ing and moaning the next season about how they need a low post scorer.

[MavDynasty]

tbh I miss Gooden. He could actually score in the post and wasn't scared to bang down low either. Will be happy to see him come back even though he might be a little irritating with his 1v5 offense but it seemed like it worked. He made some ridiculous bull last year that I thought there was no chance of going. He hustled like crazy too, I remember Ortegal on his every night about the heart and hustle he gave.

[monosylab1k]

right. just don't bring in another PF to do it, we already have a PF..our franchise player. we need a 7 ft center

then tbh if i see you once next season about how a low post scorer is what this team needs, i'll go Guiseppe on your ass.

[monosylab1k]

Chris Kaman gets hurt too much

Zach Randolph will kill team chemistry

Al Jefferson doesn't play defense

Either you want someone who can get you points down low or you don't.

[Edward]

tbh roddy will always have some ballhog tendencies to him. I think he can control those tendencies, but he'll always be a bit of a ballhog and chucker. His playmaking ability offsets that tho imo.

Nothing worse than Tony Parker who has proven to run an offense effectively. Roddy shoots a high % from the field, and doesn't dominate the ball looking for assists, ball hogging won't be a huge problem for him.

[monosylab1k]

mono..you're confusing building a great fantasy team with building a winning team in the real world.

So getting a player who can get you 15-20 easy points down low every night isn't building a winning team?

Sorry I guess you want the Mavs to continue jacking up 20 footers all night and praying they go in.

[Edward]

Chris Kaman gets hurt too much

Zach Randolph will kill team chemistry

Al Jefferson doesn't play defense

Either you want someone who can get you points down low or you don't.

I think he's saying he doesn't.

[MavDynasty]

Sorry I guess you want the Mavs to continue jacking up 20 footers all night and praying they go in.

sounds like the mavs of the past decade.

I want to see some ing points in the paint.

[Edward]

I know this will get butthurt responses, but if you want points in the paint and less jump shooting, then the elephant in the room preventing that is the fact your team is built around a 7 footer who gets no points in the paint.

[monosylab1k]

we do need a post scorer

agreed

but

no buts. either we need one or we don't. if you're looking for the perfect post scorer, he's not available. The post scorers available have warts. Either you want a post scorer and you accept those warts, or you really don't want a post scorer, you'd rather see this team live and die by the jumper, and you have no right to ever about this team not having low post scoring next season.

[BadOdor]

I know this will get butthurt responses, but if you want points in the paint and less jump shooting, then the elephant in the room preventing that is the fact your team is built around a 7 footer who gets no points in the paint.

oh no you didn't!