Dallas Mavericks off-season thread

[monosylab1k]

I know this will get butthurt responses, but if you want points in the paint and less jump shooting, then the elephant in the room preventing that is the fact your team is built around a 7 footer who gets no points in the paint.

pairing him with the mentally re ed Erick Dampier for 6 years hasn't helped.

[Edward]

agreed



no buts. either we need one or we don't. if you're looking for the perfect post scorer, he's not available. The post scorers available have warts. Either you want a post scorer and you accept those warts, or you really don't want a post scorer, you'd rather see this team live and die by the jumper, and you have no right to ever about this team not having low post scoring next season.

He's saying that combining Dirk's warts with someone like Al Jefferson's warts is a recipe for disaster, and that's why he doesn't want to accept those warts. You're making the issue too black and white, there are shades of gray you're ignoring. It's not as simple as "You either want a low post scorer or you'd rather see this team live and die by the jumper". Adding Al Jefferson to Dallas does take away their need for a low post scorer, but it creates new needs and weaknesses for them, which is why you're making it too simple.

[monosylab1k]

He's saying that combining Dirk's warts with someone like Al Jefferson's warts is a recipe for disaster, and that's why he doesn't want to accept those warts. You're making the issue too black and white, there are shades of gray you're ignoring. It's not as simple as "You either want a low post scorer or you'd rather see this team live and die by the jumper". Adding Al Jefferson to Dallas does take away their need for a low post scorer, but it creates new needs and weaknesses for them, which is why you're making it too simple.

Yeah because having a big defensive body with the offensive ability of a re ed eight year old at center for 6 years has worked great

[monosylab1k]

You can teach defense. You can teach Al Jefferson to be in the right spots, you can teach him how to defend the pick and roll, and you can teach him to be competent defensively. Not great, but competent.

You can't teach world-class post offense. Either a player has that gift or he doesn't.

[monosylab1k]

can you teach him in one offeason? cite one example where a player of al's age has suddenly gone from a poor defender to a great one.

he's only 25, he's still very teachable.

You can't go from a poor defender to a great defender. You can go from a poor defender to a decent defender, a defender who doesn't make stupid mistakes and who at least is always in position.

My example is Dirk, who went from one of the worst defenders in the league to a decent defender in the league after one offseason with Avery.

[monosylab1k]

Al + Dirk is a recipe for disaster and you know it Mono.

Have fun watching jumpers all season.

[Edward]

Yeah because having a big defensive body with the offensive ability of a re ed eight year old at center for 6 years has worked great

Again dude, you're making it too black and white. He never said that has worked great, all he said jefferson and dirk up front won't work. His overall point is that they can't have a 2 PF lineup for defensive reasons, so regardless of how nice Dirk-Jefferson looks offensively, it is too weak defensively.

My interpretation of all of it is that Dallas has run out of routes to take that don't present major weaknesses or concerns (other than getting Lebron or Wade which no one expects to happen), and that they should consider rebuilding. Maybe you're not ready to give up on this group and I don't blame you because it's been good for so long, but that's just my opinion.

[monosylab1k]

fine, just don't next season about how the Mavs need a low post scorer. There's one available and you don't want him.

[monosylab1k]

compared with watching a layup line get run on us all season

again, you act like the Mavs played good defense last season

[monosylab1k]

at times we did, at least for stretches.

too bad none of those stretches included the playoffs.

Erick Dampier has been so badass for the Mavs! We need someone just like him!

[monosylab1k]

gortat/haywood at center and bringing in another scoring option besides dirk who can create in the halfcourt is our only hope

i don't mind gortat, but you do realize that he got his pushed in by Boston right? Every night there was 3-4 highlights of Rondo making him look stupid.

[Veterinarian]

tbh Jefferson is so much better than Haywood/Damp that the whole concept of even having this argument is re ed.

[Edward]

tbh Jefferson is so much better than Haywood/Damp that the whole concept of even having this argument is re ed.

No one ever said he wasn't.

[stretch]

Jefferson isn't any worse of a defender than Gasol or Bynum. And the Lakers won a championship with them manning the middle. Mavs would be fine.

[monosylab1k]

then go have him instead of haywood on your fantasy team then, bump. but this is the nba and playoff games are won by getting stops and creating in half court sets. you can't get any stops with a 2 pf lineup, both of which happen to be average or poor defenders.

They aren't getting any stops in the playoffs now.

At least with Jefferson they have alot more halfcourt options besides "give it to dirk in the high post and pray his jumper goes in"

[Edward]

Jefferson isn't any worse of a defender than Gasol or Bynum.

Jefferson plays Amare Stoudemire level defense if not worse. I still think his defense would improve on a team with better offensive players, but right now his defense is a giant abortion, worse than Gasol's defense ever was on LA or Memphis.

[monosylab1k]

ok re brothers, this is the part where i dip. constructive argument is no longer effective, peace.

okay brah, go log into m>s or Mavs man 41 and support your trolls argument.

[Veterinarian]

bump

lol try again

[Greg Oden]

okay brah, go log into m>s or Mavs man 41 and support your trolls argument.

crofl

[monosylab1k]

[QUOTE=Veterinarian;4444838][QUOTE=twhottt;4444813] bump

lol try again

tbh if i had a guess, i'd say BadOdor. You scoff God talk and always pop up when DoK posts.

[Rogue]

dirk + jefferson = fail defensively

[monosylab1k]

anyway neither donnie nor carlisle are as stupid as you

brah I have a record of every trade offer they turned down that I would have taken, and my lineup of players would be curbstomping the league right now.

[monosylab1k]

dirk + jefferson = fail defensively

rogue gave you his password. smart move tbh.

[Mavs_man_41]

brah I have a record of every trade offer they turned down that I would have taken, and my lineup of players would be curbstomping the league right now.

as do i and jefferson isn't a part of that lineup, is he?

[Veterinarian]

tbh if i had a guess, i'd say BadOdor. You scoff God talk and always pop up when DoK posts.

Nope. tbh my main accoount is no one special or well known here, so you wouldn't guess ever.