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  1. #151
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    Davis is absolute garbage, that would be like taking on Brand's contract to get Iggy
    Don't you think he's an upgrade over Kidd? He can score in the 1/2 court. I've talked myself into the whole "He'll be motivated on a good team" line. But I hate the way his career has developed. He's a loser.

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    Just outa curiosity, how far do you want the Mavs going to make the most outa Dirk's remaining window? They've overpaid a lot of 3rd and 4th tier players (Marion, Kidd as examples from just last year) to keep Dallas compe ive with Dirk and their cap situation basically sucks because of it. At what point do you want them to stop s ing out longterm money to complimentary players like Haywood and giving up on winning with Dirk?

    I ask because IMO you're talking about giving Brendan Haywood a 5 year deal while being open to absorbing some bad contracts and I'm just curious if you've considered that it might make the rebuilding process worse and longer once Dirk's window is closed if you have a bunch of overpaid role players jamming up the salary cap.
    I don't care if we end up repeating the nineties. I'd endure that again for a le.

  3. #153
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    Davis is absolute garbage
    now we have the dumb opinion.

    Davis is still a great defensive PG, he's still a terrific passer, he still has the ability to get to the rim, and he's still a great shooter when he sets his feet properly. He'll chuck up a few bad shots every game, but that's no different than anybody on the Mavs.

    Davis right now is a definite upgrade over Kidd. Kidd's biggest qualities over Davis are his supposed leadership and ability to run the offense. I really haven't seen Kidd do to lead the team, and he's just as incompetent running a half-court set as anyone else on the team. Anybody can pass it in to Dirk and stand behind the 3pt line watching.

  4. #154
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    In fact, Davis can definitely run the offense better than Kidd, because even in fast break opportunties (supposedly Kidd's strong suit) Davis has the ability to finish at the rim, and we all have seen plenty of times where Kidd passes up a wide open layup so that Jason Terry can brick another 3.

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    I don't care if we end up repeating the nineties. I'd endure that again for a le.

    I'd also endure a decade of for the Suns to win it all, but that really wasn't my question.

    I was asking when in your book, does the risk of absorbing long term outweigh the reward? Haywood for example, when do you stop thinking about the immediate impact he can make to help Dallas and start thinking about how much he'll hurt your cap situation several years down the road?

    Obviously Dallas is in win now mode, so they're willing to sacrifice future cap flexibility and draft picks to do whatever it takes to help improve the team short term. I was just asking when you will no longer want Cuban to have that mentality because their chances at winning it all with Dirk are too slim and when you'll want him to start building for the future.

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    Marion is being shopped heavily via ESPN

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    I'd also endure a decade of for the Suns to win it all, but that really wasn't my question.

    I was asking when in your book, does the risk of absorbing long term outweigh the reward? Haywood for example, when do you stop thinking about the immediate impact he can make to help Dallas and start thinking about how much he'll hurt your cap situation several years down the road?

    Obviously Dallas is in win now mode, so they're willing to sacrifice future cap flexibility and draft picks to do whatever it takes to help improve the team short term. I was just asking when you will no longer want Cuban to have that mentality because their chances at winning it all with Dirk are too slim and when you'll want him to start building for the future.

    I didn't wanna come off as making fun Dallas or sounding like I wanted to start an argument but here's what I'm basically saying: Dallas has lost in the 1st round 3 of the last 4 years, and they seem to still have faith in this group to win it all. At what point do you give up on their current core ever winning a championship and decide to blow it up and start over?

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    Marion is being shopped heavily via ESPN
    good luck with all that. the whole point of signing him to that big ass contract was to keep him from getting emo-depressed like he did in Phoenix when he wasn't the center of attention. Now they want to ruin that by openly shopping him and his ridiculous contract?

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    good luck with all that. the whole point of signing him to that big ass contract was to keep him from getting emo-depressed like he did in Phoenix when he wasn't the center of attention. Now they want to ruin that by openly shopping him and his ridiculous contract?

    God only knows how emo he'll get with that. When the Suns were shopping him he was the highest paid player on the team and maybe more overpaid than he is right now. He might get even more butthurt as a role player who they are shopping.

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    good luck with all that. the whole point of signing him to that big ass contract was to keep him from getting emo-depressed like he did in Phoenix when he wasn't the center of attention. Now they want to ruin that by openly shopping him and his ridiculous contract?
    ESPN said there was little interest around the league, but Marion is most likely to be packaged with Damp and Damp to return with the vet minimum once he is released by his new team.

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    the only source I see right now about Marion being shopped is HoopsWorld. I think we can definitely say that he's not being shopped.

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    ESPN said there was little interest around the league, but Marion is most likely to be packaged with Damp and Damp to return with the vet minimum once he is released by his new team.
    If a team wants Damp to dump salary, there's no reason they'd take on Marion's contract with it.

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    Marion is being shopped heavily via ESPN
    Haha...good luck getting rid of that contract.

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    the only source I see right now about Marion being shopped is HoopsWorld. I think we can definitely say that he's not being shopped.
    turn on your tv sometime..

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    I didn't wanna come off as making fun Dallas or sounding like I wanted to start an argument but here's what I'm basically saying: Dallas has lost in the 1st round 3 of the last 4 years, and they seem to still have faith in this group to win it all. At what point do you give up on their current core ever winning a championship and decide to blow it up and start over?
    well I'm no Mavs fan, but that's a pretty good question to ask people

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    turn on your tv sometime..

    hey, whats up man!

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    turn on your tv sometime..
    Provide some proof beyond "it was on tv I promise".

    It's some made up hoopsworld bull , nothing more.

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    now we have the dumb opinion.

    Davis is still a great defensive PG, he's still a terrific passer, he still has the ability to get to the rim, and he's still a great shooter when he sets his feet properly. He'll chuck up a few bad shots every game, but that's no different than anybody on the Mavs.

    Davis right now is a definite upgrade over Kidd. Kidd's biggest qualities over Davis are his supposed leadership and ability to run the offense. I really haven't seen Kidd do to lead the team, and he's just as incompetent running a half-court set as anyone else on the team. Anybody can pass it in to Dirk and stand behind the 3pt line watching.
    You lost me at Davis is still a great defensive Pg.

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    You lost me at Davis is still a great defensive Pg.
    Davis has always been solid defensively, I'm not sure how you can even dispute that. Considering you think he's "garbage" proves you really don't know about basketball anyways.

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    well I'm no Mavs fan, but that's a pretty good question to ask people
    stop posting.

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    What are yall's thoughts on CP3 and Okafor? Perhaps Mavs could trade something like Damp, Terry, and maybe some picks or Barea for them. Resign Haywood and get Gooden to back Dirk up.

    PG - CP3, Kidd
    SG - Butler, Beaubois
    SF - Marion, Stevenson
    PF - Nowitzki, Gooden
    C - Haywood, Okafor

    Damn good lineup.

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    Davis has always been solid defensively, I'm not sure how you can even dispute that. Considering you think he's "garbage" proves you really don't know about basketball anyways.
    I guess you base someone being a good defensive player by looking at steals. You probably think AI and Larry Hughes are great defenders too. You dropping the word great tells me he should be on the All-defensive team consistently

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    I guess you base someone being a good defensive player by looking at steals. You probably think AI and Larry Hughes are great defenders too. You dropping the word great tells me he should be on the All-defensive team consistently
    again, Mono is arguing off POTENTIAL. no question, Davis has the ability to be a damn good defender. not just talking about steals, but he can straight up lock people up. he just doesnt do it very often is the problem. Baron Davis might be the most gifted PG ever, but is a model of inconsistency.

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    The problem with Davis is that he only plays hard on both ends when he has the freedom to chuck 3's with 22 seconds on the shot clock. I don't see him ever being successful on a team that isn't build around him.

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    No Mav fan on Mav fan violence, unless we're talking about thedong.

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