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what's the big deal, just show 'em your I.D. and dey'll leave you alone. er, not really.
he (the deported guy) was the passenger, and he (the deported guy) had a birth certificate and ID card on him that established that he is a U.S. citizen.
what's the big deal, just show 'em your I.D. and dey'll leave you alone. er, not really.
If you respect the right at issue -- for US citizens to reside freely in their native country, and to come and go as they please -- I think you've gotta stand up for this guy, whatever his human frailties.
If you don't give a , that's valid too.
If you think he's not really American... well, God bless you. I think you're wrong.
Is there ANY cause to deport a US citizen? Wouldn't you need to deport him/her to the... US?
Ostensibly not.
Maybe because he/she doesn't speak English well enough to impress US Customs officers. Didn't that essentially happen here?
The officers decided early on they didn't believe the guy, then ignored his valid do entation proving them wrong.
Indeed. And if you think about it, this happened TWICE in this case. Unbelievable.
And I give you Democrat County Supervisor Peggy West of Milwaukee, Wisconsin...
...'nough said.
and the deported guy wasnt wearing a seatbelt. he was still breaking the law.
if youre a citizen, dont break the law and the law won't break you.
i think it's ridiculous that he was deported, and that was a poor job on law enforcement's part, but this could have been prevented if they had been law abiding citizens.
*Doesn't blame Arizona for searching for a solution.*
If that's a straightforward approval of what AZ did, it's pretty weak brew. Honestly, it seemed more like weaselly, hedged phrasing to me.
Who can ever be blamed for seeking a solution to a problem?
Last edited by Winehole23; 06-24-2010 at 09:39 PM.
Offtopic, but Bubba Ho-tep kicks ass.
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agreed.
Getting a ticket... being handed to federal authorities... interrogated for 8 hours... deported to Mexico... it's all the same...
i think im being misquoted here.
let me rephrase myself...
DONT BREAK THE LAW
get a license if you want to drive. wear a seatbelt when youre riding. if you don't want to do so, be prepared for the consequences (however idiotic) if you're not able to effectively communicate with an officer.
Not so surprising to me. Guild pride and CYA beat zeal for the truth some of the time.
One sidebar of this incident that should be more of a main focus IMO, is how in entering the US immigration system as a supposed alien, Luis Alberto Delgado was effectively stripped of his rights and privileges as a US citizen, then pressured to sign papers that made his deportation a done deal. That shouldn't happen to any US citizen. Period.
The reason we have certain penalties for certain crimes/misdemeanors is the reason your premise is entirely idiotic.
An American citizen (with a driver license and a birth certificate) with speech difficulties that is caught driving without a seatbelt should NEVER be prepared for 8 hours of interrogations, followed by coercion to sign fraudulent papers, followed by deportation to a foreign country. That's not the penalty for breaking the driving-without-seatbelt law.
Like I said, the lawsuit that will ensue WILL be costly...
LOL...
They're probably just infiltrating other states. Hopefully they go to the "sanctuary cities."
ok, so if you were riding with someone who didnt have a license, and you did not speak english very well (or neither did they, for that matter), would you be conscious enough to atleast wear your seatbelt?
first of all, i wouldnt even ride with someone who didnt have a license unless it was an emergency (like if i got bit by a coral snake or something and had to go to the hospital). im not saying they deserved what happened to them, and im just as outraged as yall are.
all im saying is that recently, the people who are having immigration problems did some stupid to get themselves in that position. it's not like they're being hunted down in their homes gestapo-style.
They're completely unrelated offenses. What if I forgot to buckle up?
Then I should be subject to the penalty reserved for that offense: a ticket.
Since you're not operating the vehicle, you're effectively not incurring in any illicit activity by being a passenger in a vehicle being driven by somebody without a driver license. We don't even know if Delgado was aware that the driver didn't have a license (although, it's entirely irrelevant as far as Delgado is concerned). If Delgado was not wearing a seatbelt, then he should have been handed a ticket.
Delgado, the American citizen, obviously didn't have any immigration problems. If anything, he presented both a verifiable state-issued driver license, and a verifiable US birth certificate.
Who cares if he did stupid ? Dude didn't deserve to be treated like that. In no wise.
I can see your point that maybe DElgado did not heed the dictates of reasonable caution as fastidiously as he might have, and that this decision may have led to his fateful encounter with law enforcement. But that doesn't mean he deserved the result or the process that led to it.
Last edited by Winehole23; 06-24-2010 at 10:41 PM.
He obviously was too brown to be handed just a ticket... or just to have his driver license verified... or to have his birth certificate checked...
delgado has immigration problems now, doesn't he? doesn't help him very much if his family was playing the system in mexico, either.
i care if people do stupid like driving without a license. i don't want them on the road, period. im not arguing against their rights of citizenship or how the feds should handle them. im saying that this whole situation could have been prevented if the driver was legally a driver and the passenger used discretion in riding with him. is it that hard to swallow?
i never said they deserved to be treated like that, either.
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