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    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breakin...inglepage=true


    Spain’s Dr. Gabriel Calzada — the author of a damning study concluding that Spain’s “green jobs” energy program has been a catastrophic economic failure — was mailed a dismantled bomb on Tuesday by solar energy company Thermotechnic.

    Says Calzada:

    Before opening it, I called [Thermotechnic] to know what was inside … they answered, it was their answer to my energy pieces.

    Dr. Calzada contacted a terrorism expert to handle the package. The expert first performed a scan of the package, then opened it in front of a journalist, Dr. Calzada, and a private security expert.

    The terrorism consultant said he had seen this before:

    This time you receive unconnected pieces. Next time it can explode in your hands.

    Dr. Calzada added:

    [The terrorism expert] told me that this was a warning.

    The bomb threat is just the latest intimidation Dr. Calzada has faced since releasing his report and following up with articles in Expansion (a Spanish paper similar to the Financial Times). A minister from Spain’s Socialist government called the rector of King Juan Carlos University — Dr. Calzada’s employer — seeking Calzada’s ouster. Calzada was not fired, but he was stripped of half of his classes at the university. The school then dropped its accreditation of a summer university program with which Calzada’s think tank — Ins uto Juan de Mariana — was associated.

    Additionally, the head of Spain’s renewable energy association and the head of its communist trade union wrote opinion pieces in top Spanish newspapers accusing Calzada of being “unpatriotic” — they did not charge him with being incorrect, but of undermining Spain by daring to write the report.

    Their reasoning? If the skepticism that Calzada’s revelations prompted were to prevail in the U.S., Spanish industry would face collapse should U.S. subsidies and mandates dry up.

    As I have previously reported at PJM (here and here), Spain’s “green jobs” program was repeatedly referenced by President Obama as a model for what he would like to implement in the United States. Following the release of Calzada’s report, Spain’s Socialist government has since acknowledged the debacle — both privately and publicly. This month, Spain’s government ins uted massive reductions in subsidies to “renewable” energy sources.

    Dr. Calzada is a friend of mine, kindly writing a blurb for the jacket of my latest book: Power Grab: How Obama’s Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America. My book details the Spanish “green jobs” disaster uncovered by Dr. Calzada, plus similar “green” economic calamities occurring in Germany and Denmark — also programs Obama has praised — as well as in Italy and elsewhere.

    As I detail in Power Grab, they felt Spain would be in a dire position without the U.S. playing the role of sucker. With today’s revelation, now we know just how far the “green energy” lobby will go to keep the money flowing.

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    Maybe nobody is surprised?

    I'm not.

    Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

    I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

    There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.
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    maybe he performs abortions on the side.

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    Pretty cowardly.

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    there i go making my wild cobra assumptions.

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    Dr. Calzada Is Back... And Still Wrong
    May 13, 2009 11:28 am ET
    During a May 13, 2009 appearance on E&E TV, oil-funded economist Dr. Gabriel Calzada repeated false claims about green jobs. Once again, the facts just aren't on his side.

    Dr. Calzada: "All the resources that have been taken from other parts of the economy and put into the creation of these jobs or the subsidy of renewable energy, if you look at how many jobs this amount of money created in the rest of the economy, you see that for every job that you have been creating, or subsidizing, you would have created 2.2 jobs in the rest of the economy." [E&E TV, 5/13/09]

    Investment In Renewable Energy Creates Jobs
    FACT: Investment in Clean Energy Technology Creates FOUR TIMES As Many Jobs As An Investment In Oil & Gas. According to the Center for American Progress: "Spending $100 billion within the domestic oil industry would create only about 542,000 jobs in the United States. A green infrastructure investment program would create nearly four times more jobs than spending the same amount of money on oil energy resources. And again, spending on oil offers no benefits in transitioning the U.S. economy toward a low-carbon future, while perpetuating the economic and national security vulnerabilities by continuing to rely on oil for the lifeblood of our economy." [Center for American Progress, "Green Recovery," September 2008]

    FACT: Every State In The U.S. Stands To Gain Jobs From An Investment In Renewable Energy. According to the Center for American Progress, "each state is now poised to gain substantial benefits through our economic recovery program to promote green investments in both the priLuck_The_Fakers_vate and public sectors. Regardless of a state's topography or climate, major opportuniLuck_The_Fakers_ties for green investments exist now and will grow with time. These investments, in turn, will become a powerful engine of job creation as the United States advances toward building a low-carbon economy." [Center for American Progress, "Green Recovery," September 2008]

    FACT: Investment In Renewable Energy Has Already Salvaged Many Manufacturing Facilities Closed During Economic Downturn. Across America, factories and plants abandoned by the old economy have been re-tooled and re-opened to satisfy the growing demand for new energy technologies. For instance, once hopeless manufacturing plants in Pennsylvania, Iowa, and Michigan have re-energized their communities by creating jobs and leading the charge toward a new energy future. [Bloomberg, 4/2/09; Star Tribune, 4/22/09; Grand Rapids Press, 3/6/08]

    Dr. Calzada Is An Unreliable Source
    Dr. Calzada Is Involved With Numerous Causes Funded By ExxonMobil. Dr. Calzada serves as a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe, and was a guest at the Heartland Ins ute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change, all of which received extensive funding from ExxonMobil, the world's largest oil company. [Wall Street Journal, 3/20/09; IRS 990 forms via Greenpeace, accessed 5/13/09; DeSmogBlog, accessed 5/13/09]

    Calzada's Study Cannot Identify Which Jobs Were Destroyed By Investment In Renewable Energy. As reported by the Wall Street Journal: "But the study doesn't actually identify those jobs allegedly destroyed by renewable-energy spending. What the study actually says is that government spending on renewable energy is less than half as efficient at job creation as private-sector spending. Specifically, each green job required on average 571,000 euros, compared with 259,000 euros in 'average capital per worker' in the rest of the economy." [Wall Street Journal, 3/20/09]

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    maybe he performs abortions on the side.
    No. That is an incredibly poor imitation.

    Does your shift key not work?

    I keep having to go back and correct my work. I love my new computer except for this keyboard. the shift key needs to be pushed harder than the others.

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    Yep, people like you would think such threats are funny.

    Have any moral character at all?

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    If the guy is just some ExxonMobile consultant hack and his analysis is completely unreliable, there's probably no need to send the guy a bomb, right?

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    Yep, people like you would think such threats are funny.

    Have any moral character at all?
    people, who mocked the death of soldiers that opposed the war, shouldn't judge.

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    people, who mocked the death of soldiers that opposed the war, shouldn't judge.
    Do you like placing yourself in such light of ignorance?

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    The persons responsible for mailing the bomb should go to jail.

    I think it is indicative of the general amount of riled-upness out there, and no more indicative of the general population of "greenies" than the jackasses opposing the health care reforms who phoned in death threats to members of congress were representative of the wider population.

    Sorry I don't buy into the "power grab" conspiracy theory that is fashionable among conservatives.

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    Do you like placing yourself in such light of ignorance?
    you should feel pretty stupid about that disclosure.

    does it bother you to be reminded?

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    Sorry I don't buy into the "power grab" conspiracy theory that is fashionable among conservatives.
    I'll agree that most people advocating green policies are not power hungry. However, this movement is used by the power hungry. Just like religion is used for power.

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    Maybe nobody is surprised?

    I'm not.

    Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

    I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

    There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.
    Let me start by saying that not only is this action disgusting, but it is also counter productive for the green energy company. What freakin yahoo had this idea and thought it to be a good one.

    With all of that being said, you can't sit here and pull to ol' "maybe no one is surprised" which basically implies that this is what is expected. It's one company, and if you are going to allow in the "Look what AZ law does" thread that there are going to be some asshole cops, but that shouldn't deter us from the bigger picture (rightly I might add), then you have to allow that there are going to be some asshole green tech employees, and that we shouldn't allow them to deter us from the bigger picture.

    Bring up global warming, I truly don't care. Even without global warming there are economic drivers for green tech even ones completely unrelated to energy (public health for example). More importantly, there are environmental drivers for green tech (even disallowing GW or climate change). There are even moral drivers for green tech (good stewardship).

    So if you can allow in another thread that we shouldn't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us (once again, rightly) don't try to flip flop later.

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    I'll agree that most people advocating green policies are not power hungry. However, this movement is used by the power hungry. Just like religion is used for power.
    Ok, thank you, this is a little more of a measured response.

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    Ok, thank you, this is a little more of a measured response.
    Well, I see plenty of 'leftist" protests here in Portland. They do some pretty nasty things at time. I'm not surprised that someone on the left does such things. I never said it was from the company itself, but it is right in line with the thing some leftist activists do.

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    By the by:
    Here is Mr. Alvarez' study: (full name is Gabriel Calzada Álvarez PhD, the OP article got his name wrong)
    http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090...-renewable.pdf

    It is a fairly well-written paper, but the basis for his calculations in a couple of areas were far from comprehensive.

    The largest flaw in his study is that, buried in his underlying assumptions, all of the price increases were solely due to the costs of new solar/wind projects, i.e. no new generating capacity would have been installed otherwise during the time.

    He also failed to account for the avoided fuel costs of that renewable energy as a mitigating factor, especially when it comes to one of the main strengths of distributed PV, namely avoiding transmission losses and peak generating capacity coinciding with peak demand times.

    Further, he seemed to miss the cost/benefit analysis into likely future costs/benefits. It's a bit like trying to determine whether or not it is profitable to build a new factory just by lumping in the costs all up front, but missing the benefits after the payoff period.

    It doesn't seem like deliberate cherry-picking of data, it was just not very comprehensive in the cost/benefit analysis.

    One of his sources though,

    http://www.asif.org/files/INFORME_AD...07_English.pdf

    Offered a bit more of a comprehensive analysis of PV power.

    The hardest part about measuring the payoff of renewables is the future costs of oil/gas/coal.

    Given a rising demand for these energy sources, and a declining supply, it seems likely to me that the payoffs 10-20 years down the road by avoiding fuel costs will be substantial.

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    Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position.
    Do you really think it is different in "conservative" forums?

    I disagree with any such banning of someone just for their opinions, as long as they are expressed in a fairly mature manner. The value of forums is in the testing and exchange of ideas.

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    Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.
    wouldn't free speech encompass the right of the forum owners to ban people they don't like? or to call somebody out for their opinion? or to say someone is stupid for their opinion?

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    Maybe nobody is surprised?

    I'm not.

    Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

    I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

    There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.
    Lol free speech=lying about science to fit your agenda.

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    One of his sources though,

    http://www.asif.org/files/INFORME_AD...07_English.pdf

    Offered a bit more of a comprehensive analysis of PV power.
    I forgot to add an interesting bit either in Alvarez' paper or this one was that installing renewable/PV power in more rural areas where employment prospects were generally weak offered some regular permanent jobs.

    Rural areas, generally far from power plants, offer some of the best opportunities for the construction of PV and wind capacity, because you get some real savings from avoiding transmission losses. This makes the more distributed power generating schemes a LOT more cost compe ive.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 06-25-2010 at 12:36 PM. Reason: subject verb agreement. yes, I am that picky.

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    Lol free speech=lying about science to fit your agenda.
    In all candor, why not?

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    In all candor, why not?
    He's saying that people shouldn't get mad and shut him up on their forums when he says Global Warming is a myth like their mad solely because he disagrees with them. They're mad because he's just lying and referring to a bunch of bull pseudo-science while trying to confuse people with half-baked scientific anecdotes and blurbs that don't mean what he says they mean.

    Tbh they'd be just as angry if he tried to introduce Science that said the world was flat. Lol persecution/martyr complex for some bull waste of time so-called scientific arguments when he takes his "position" on Global Warming.

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