The 2010-2011 San Antonio Spurs

[clubalien]

So the Pacers are giving us Paul George for George Hill?

Ok

Where do you get George from?

If Splitter signs with the Spurs there is like no doubt he will start for us. Ian hasnt really gotten enough minutes to show what he can really do! This year he either got big garbage minutes or he didn't play.

i don't doubt he WILL start for us.

But him being afraid of not starting with scola,ian, etc has nothing to do with what he thinks or what the front office think he thinks

[Vic Petro]

Given that Richards is likely to go to Austin and eat a roster spot, I'd expect us to go the full 15 despite the luxury tax problems.

PG: Parker, Hill, Temple. Jerrels gets cut
SG: Ginobili, Anderson, Gee, Hairston
SF: Jefferson. Backup will be an LLE player or whats left over of the MLE after Tiago signs. Outlaw would be great but likely too costly, so I think we'd be down to Butler/Jones.
PF: Duncan, Blair. The 3rd here will be cheap...basically it'll be Ian or Bonner. And for those that think it'll be Ian, well, you don't know Pop as well as you should. He'll take Bonner 10x before Ian. Stretch 4! Stretch 4! Stretch 4!
C: Splitter, McDyess, Richards

So...

Parker/Hill/Temple
Ginobili/Anderson/Gee/Hairston
Richards/{Outlaw-Butler-Jones}
Duncan/Blair/Bonner
Splitter/McDyess/Richards

[spursfan1000]

Given that Richards is likely to go to Austin and eat a roster spot, I'd expect us to go the full 15 despite the luxury tax problems.

PG: Parker, Hill, Temple. Jerrels gets cut
SG: Ginobili, Anderson, Gee, Hairston
SF: Jefferson. Backup will be an LLE player or whats left over of the MLE after Tiago signs. Outlaw would be great but likely too costly, so I think we'd be down to Butler/Jones.
PF: Duncan, Blair. The 3rd here will be cheap...basically it'll be Ian or Bonner. And for those that think it'll be Ian, well, you don't know Pop as well as you should. He'll take Bonner 10x before Ian. Stretch 4! Stretch 4! Stretch 4!
C: Splitter, McDyess, Richards

So...

Parker/Hill/Temple
Ginobili/Anderson/Gee/Hairston
Richards/{Outlaw-Butler-Jones}
Duncan/Blair/Bonner
Splitter/McDyess/Richards

Damn we are going to have 2 richards

[Vic Petro]

Damn we are going to have 2 richards

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[TD 21]

Gomes, Outlaw and Butler will all be most likely out of the Spurs price range. Jones likely won't be, but why, when the Spurs are looking to get younger and more athletic, block Anderson and Hairston at the expense of a marginal - minimal veteran? Jones offers more versatility defensively, but his primary role the Spurs have filled with Anderson. I thought if the Spurs were to draft a guy like Williams, who probably isn't ready for rotation minutes, can't play SF and doesn't offer the three-point shooting that Anderson does, that it made sense to sign Jones.

Everyone keeps talking about a backup three, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs go with Hairston as the primary backup SF (if you really think about Hairston's game, despite his lack of size, he really is more of an SF, like Udoka), with Anderson and Ginobili playing some SF as well. Gee is another option, though I suspect he'll primarily play with the Toros. None are true, prototypical SF's, but neither is T. Allen, Pietrus or Bryant, Smith/Afflalo, etc., who all either on occasion or consistently play backup SF for their teams.

It's hypocritical to constantly say, as so many of you do, "I like Hairston, give him a chance", then on the other hand say, "go sign a minimal, veteran wing". The guy played four years in college and has spent the better part of two years developing in the D-League. It's time to give him a legit opportunity to be a rotation player.

I think primarily what we're likely to see is a three guard rotation with Parker, Hill and Ginobili, with one of Anderson or Hairston, depending on match-up, backing up Jefferson. Throughout most games, I suspect the one playing less still finds spot minutes. Basically, what we saw toward the end of the season with Mason and Bogans.

[ohmwrecker]

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I don't think there is anyway that both Gee and Hairston make the final cut. Too similar. Trade filler?

[Thompson]

As far as standing reach is concerned, Anderson actually has a slightly better reach (8'8") than Hairston (8'7.5") unless Hairston has grown some since being drafted. Whether that means we might ever use Anderson at SF I don't know, but at least he has a decent standing reach.

For comparison with other some other small forwards, Gordan Hayward only has a standing reach of 8'7", and Babbitt slightly more than Anderson at 8'8.5". I read somewhere else on spurstalk that Pop views the 2/3 position as interchangeable anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Anderson/Hairston both given a shot at backup SF early in the season to see if either can handle it.

[Spursfan 87]

We need a reliable big man as the 5th big. Ian is a waste of money and a waste of time, the guy is just a foul machine. Bonner... no thanks. I'll go with Oberto for the minimum, a reliable player who's not going to complaing about his minutes, knows the system, he can still do the dirty job and can be a mentor for Splitter and Blair.

[Thompson]

Oberto has heart problems and can't really score. He's also older and slower.

[WeaponX225]

What about Tmac? I think he would be a great backup SF.

[spursfan1000]

What about Tmac? I think he would be a great backup SF.

No thanks, hes declined a bunch and is injury prone.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am actually interested to see how Hairston develops. Whether or not you like him Popovich has given him mintues and although he did not play him in the playoffs he continued giving him minutes down the stretch.

Its also not a given that Splitter would start right off the bat. Popovich has a hard on for vets and is reluctant with rookies. Yes, there was Parker but thats an isolated incident.

[Biggems]

Sign UDFAs Koshwal and Blakely

C - Splitter, McDyess, Richards
PF - Duncan, Blair, Koshwal
SF - Jefferson, Hairston, Blakely
SG - Manu, Anderson, Gee
PG - Parker, Hill, Temple

Blakely can spend the season in Austin. Richards and Koshwal can rotate trips to Austin, if that is possible.

[spursfaninla]

I don't even want Spurs to go after Bonner, if you look at championsip teams, they don't have a outside shooting big man in the rotation. (maybe rasheed on Celtics but he also posts up and defends). Mahammi would also probably be cheaper.

Odom can shoot the 3.

Pau can shoot an outside shot.

Bynum is their only rotation big that has no outside shot.


You really can't have two bigs on the floor who both can't at least hit a mid-range jumper, because it is too easy to clog the lane in that case.

We have always had a big who could be on the floor and hit at least the mid-range. A big hitting the 3 pulls the big defender out even further, making rebounding easier on us.

PHX has several bigmen who can shoot the 3. Dirk is a classic example.

Drob had a great 15 footer.

Now, if you have several bigmen who can all score in the post, then great, do that. Since those are becoming more and more rare, it is easier to instead get a face-up guy who can make a jump shot, and in theory help on the boards.

Not saying I love it, I just recognize it is the second best thing to a real post player.

[TD 21]

Of course the 1st priority is sign Tiago and after him we need to go after a SF. With the money we'll have I can only think about 3 players: J.Jones, R.Gomes and R.Butler. I like Outlaw, M.Miller and Korver but I don't think we can get them with the LLE.

On the wings we'll have RJ, Manu and Anderson with Hill also playing in there as a SG. If we can get one of those 3 guys I mentioned I'd be happy and my 1st choice would be Jones. Then I think Gee and Malik will fight for the 5th spot.

The bigs situation would be: Tiago, Dice, TD and Blair. I think Richards can be the 6th big but we need more experience with the 5th big, since Pop will probably try to rest TD and Dice. Who do you think is the better fit for that spot? Ian, Bonner or a minimum free agent?

At PG we have Tony and Hill but as the 3rd PG who would you like: Temple or a vet? I don't see many options in FA, maybe E.Watson or Pargo.

Bigs
Tiago/Dice/Duncan/Blair/Bonner or Ian or FA/Richards
Wings
RJ/Jones or other FA/Manu/Anderson/Malik or Gee
PG
Tony/Hill/FA or Temple

My questions are:
Do you like those options at backup SF?
Who's the best option as 5th big: Ian Bonner or FA?
Who's the best option as a 3rd PG: Temple or FA?

I don't think the Spurs have to sign a veteran SF. They have Anderson, Ginobili, Hairston and Gee to backup Jefferson. Having Anderson (Ginobili and Hill will see the majority of the minutes at SG, so he'll likely play a decent amount of SF) fall into their laps allows them to take a wait-and-see approach. They can watch Hairston and Gee in Summer League before making a determination.

Considering that they've spent two years developing Hairston, paid a decent amount to pry Gee away from the Wizards, have stated that they want to get more athletic and the fact that they have a bloated payroll that's on the verge of becoming even more bloated (assuming Splitter signs), I think it's safe to say that they'd like to have the back half of their roster be as inexpensive as possible.

Of the names you mentioned, only Jones is realistic for what they can offer. If they sign a veteran SF, it'll likely have to be someone of that caliber. Even if they sign a veteran SF for the minimum, he'd cost double that because the Spurs are a tax paying team. Jones is longer and would offer more defensive versatility, but he'd be somewhat redundant, since the Spurs have Anderson to fill the wing shooter role off the bench.

It's similar reasoning as to why Ratliff was dealt. They traded him because they were concerned with their payroll and felt they had a young player who could provide what Ratliff could and potentially more.

In terms of the fifth big spot, Bonner is too expensive to be a fifth big on this team, Mahinmi is less likely to get consistent playing time next season than he did last season (assuming Splitter is signed) and Richards is too inexperienced. I think the most likely option is Tolliver. Inexpensive, young, has a history with the organization, is a decent range shooter out to three and is good enough (at least based on his showing with the Warriors) to be in the rotation in games that Duncan or McDyess sit. Another option is Novak. Though he's more of an SF than a big, he is a better shooter from three than Tolliver.

At the point, I think the Spurs are set. Hill is a combo guard and Temple is largely unproven, but he played well down the stretch last season and when you have Parker, Hill and Ginobili to handle the ball and are a tax paying team, how much better a third point can you expect?

I'll preface this by saying that I expect Splitter to overtake McDyess at some point in the starting lineup next season, but to start the season, I'm predicting...

Starters: PF- Duncan, SF- Jefferson, C- McDyess, SG- Hill, PG- Parker

Bench: SG- Ginobili, C/PF- Splitter, PF- Blair, SG- Anderson, SG/SF- Hairston, PF- Tolliver, SG/PG- Temple

Inactive/D-League: SG/SF- Gee, PF/C- Richards

[DesignatedT]

I think another factor could be how much of the MLE Splitter actually demands. Although it is most likely that the figure will be around the whole chunk (5.8mil/year) there is still a possibility that he might maybe accept 4/year and leave us with another decent chunk to pursue another player.

The guard positions are pretty much already filled with Tony/Hill/Manu/Anderson/Temple. which is exactly what i expect it to be.

Their is 1 question mark regarding this and its how effective the spurs believe hill/temple to be at the backup point. Depending on how the summer goes and what they show I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see the spurs pick up another veteran PG to be the 3rd pg in the lineup.. Could be more of a mentor than anything.

The wing position is where the focus needs to lie obviously. I would love Outlaw but as stated before not sure if he will be available for cheap. Butler/Gomes follow on the list of SF's but I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs move into more of the direction of a Jarvis Hayes/Bobby Simmons/Damion Wilkins/Stephen Graham to fill the spot, mainly for financial reasons. I believe that Gee can play also, so depending on how he does in the SL and his ability to improve defensively can hopefully lead to him being a solid contributor and would save the spurs a lot of trouble.

Bigs are pretty much set if Splitter decides to come. Duncan/Splitter/Blair/Dice/Bonner is what I would expect the roster to consist of next season. Despite the hate that we share, I think most spurstalkers can agree that Bonner is definitely a good "5th" big man to have on the squad. (Knows the system, Has all-star type regular season games). What makes most of us want him off the squad is the love fest pop shows in his vets. If pop can refrain from playing him all the time instead of giving him finley treatment than I am totally fine having him as the 5th big on the roster, but of course that's a big IF from coach Pop.

I figure it will look something like this:

PG-Tony/Hill/Temple or Vet. PG
SG-Hill/Manu/Anderson
SF-RJ/Any of the SF's I listed above/Gee
PF-Duncan/Blair
C-Splitter/Dice/Bonner

[TD 21]

I think another factor could be how much of the MLE Splitter actually demands. Although it is most likely that the figure will be around the whole chunk (5.8mil/year) there is still a possibility that he might maybe accept 4/year and leave us with another decent chunk to pursue another player.

The guard positions are pretty much already filled with Tony/Hill/Manu/Anderson/Temple. which is exactly what i expect it to be.

Their is 1 question mark regarding this and its how effective the spurs believe hill/temple to be at the backup point. Depending on how the summer goes and what they show I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see the spurs pick up another veteran PG to be the 3rd pg in the lineup.. Could be more of a mentor than anything.

The wing position is where the focus needs to lie obviously. I would love Outlaw but as stated before not sure if he will be available for cheap. Butler/Gomes follow on the list of SF's but I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs move into more of the direction of a Jarvis Hayes/Bobby Simmons/Damion Wilkins/Stephen Graham to fill the spot, mainly for financial reasons. I believe that Gee can play also, so depending on how he does in the SL and his ability to improve defensively can hopefully lead to him being a solid contributor and would save the spurs a lot of trouble.

Bigs are pretty much set if Splitter decides to come. Duncan/Splitter/Blair/Dice/Bonner is what I would expect the roster to consist of next season. Despite the hate that we share, I think most spurstalkers can agree that Bonner is definitely a good "5th" big man to have on the squad. (Knows the system, Has all-star type regular season games). What makes most of us want him off the squad is the love fest pop shows in his vets. If pop can refrain from playing him all the time instead of giving him finley treatment than I am totally fine having him as the 5th big on the roster, but of course that's a big IF from coach Pop.

I figure it will look something like this:

PG-Tony/Hill/Temple or Vet. PG
SG-Hill/Manu/Anderson
SF-RJ/Any of the SF's I listed above/Gee
PF-Duncan/Blair
C-Splitter/Dice/Bonner

It's possible, but with what he's being offered to stay in Europe and what it's being reported he'll want from the Spurs, it's unlikely he takes $4 million per season. If he did, then yeah, that would potentially change the SF situation.

I agree with you, the Spurs are set at guard.

Even if the Spurs weren't overly confident in Hill/Temple (which I don't believe to be the case), given their other needs and financial situation, I can't see them making a move at PG. Temple played well enough last season to earn this spot.

Outlaw, Butler and Gomes, more than likely are all going to be out of the Spurs price range. Hayes, Simmons, Wilkins and S. Graham, more than likely be in the Spurs price range. None are appealing and I'd rather not bury Hairston, Gee and to a lesser extent, Anderson, just to bring in a bargain basket, minimal wing. With Jones, at least he's a 40% three-point shooter. These other guys don't excel to that extent in any one area.

Bonner is more than likely going to be out of the Spurs price range for the fifth big spot.

You forgot Hairston. Unless you expect him to be cut?

If Hairston has another strong showing in Summer League, I think the Spurs will do with him what they did with Hill last season and that is hand him a role. I know he's not as good a prospect as Hill, but he also won't be counted on to play anywhere near as many minutes and they're not getting a first rate stopper. So they can either bring in someone in Bogans class or they can go with Hairston. Barring a disastrous showing in Summer League, it's time to give Hairston the job.

[DesignatedT]

Bonner is more than likely going to be out of the Spurs price range for the fifth big spot.

You forgot Hairston. Unless you expect him to be cut?

If Hairston has another strong showing in Summer League, I think the Spurs will do with him what they did with Hill last season and that is hand him a role. I know he's not as good a prospect as Hill, but he also won't be counted on to play anywhere near as many minutes and they're not getting a first rate stopper. So they can either bring in someone in Bogans class or they can go with Hairston. Barring a disastrous showing in Summer League, it's time to give Hairston the job.

The Spurs do have Larry Bird rights on Bonner so if they did decide to Keep him they could without having to dig into the MLE or LLE.

Hairston is a pretty big question mark IMO. I do believe Gee is the better prospect and wouldn't be surprised to see Hairston waived since I expect the spurs to sign another SF as well. There just wont be enough room for 4 of them unless the Spurs stash Gee in the D-League.

[TD 21]

The Spurs do have Larry Bird rights on Bonner so if they did decide to Keep him they could without having to dig into the MLE or LLE.

Hairston is a pretty big question mark IMO. I do believe Gee is the better prospect and wouldn't be surprised to see Hairston waived since I expect the spurs to sign another SF as well. There just wont be enough room for 4 of them unless the Spurs stash Gee in the D-League.

Bird rights or not, he's not going to make at or near the minimum, which is probably all the Spurs will offer for a fifth big. I do think they want him back, but he'll more than likely be too expensive for them.

I think the Spurs realize that the best they can do for defensive wing off the bench is someone in the class of Bogans. If that is in fact the case, then why not just go with Hairston? He's young, inexpensive, athletic and they've spent two years developing him.

It's only a hunch, but I think he'd have to play his way out of this role and I think the Spurs will stash Gee in the D-League. I can see them having another young player, like Anderson (Antonio) in training camp on a non-guaranteed contract, competing with Hairston for the job. But in the end, I expect Hairston to win out.

[mingus]

if the Spurs can't get a SF via FA, Spurs need to trade Hill for one. groom Temple into the back up pg that can play some sg as well. Hill = overrated. the thing that the Spurs NEEDED him to become over the off-season was a defensive juggernaut. now, he's just an undersized sg. can't go into the season w/o a back up SF, or potentially a starting one, depending on whether RJ sucks as much ass as he did last year.

[sasffl]

PG：Parker, Hill, Temple
SG:Manu, Anderson, Gee/Hairston
SF:Jefferson, Rasual Butler
PFuncan, Blair,Dice
C:Splitter, Richards, Mahinmi

[Spurs Brazil]

I think we need a true SF backup, Gee and Malik are more SG than SF

[pad300]

Can you trade more than one player in a sign-and-trade?

What about a three way trade between Memphis, S.A. and Philadelphia involving Jefferson to the 76ers, Iguadala (+ filler) to the Grizzlies, and Gay (+ filler) sign-and-trade to S.A.?

Philadelphia gets rid of Andre's long contract (which they've said they need to do since drafting Turner) and gets an expiring in return. Memphis gets something instead of losing Gay for nothing (it's apparently hard to attract talent in Memphis, as draft players refusing to work out for them shows), and we get Gay and maybe Sam Young as a backup SF or some other filler.

This next part is probably over the top, but maybe Thabeet if they're trying to get rid of him (he has a team option after this next year, so it would be an expiring at worst); I read they were trying to trade O.J. Mayo, but that may not be a likely addition with giving them Hill or more.

Any chance (of the first part anyway) of something like this happening?

Why the devil would you include Memphis? Iggy > Gay, just S&T Iggy...

[TD 21]

I think we need a true SF backup, Gee and Malik are more SG than SF

In terms of height, Hairston is more of an SG, but in terms of build and game, he's more of an SF. SF is where the Spurs have used similar sized players like Udoka and (towards the end of the season, at least) Bogans, mainly because they lack the ball skills typically found in SG's.

On this team, if Hairston is to not just to stick, but play, he'll have to primarily play SF. Between Ginobili, Hill and Anderson, there won't be many minutes available at SG.

[SenorSpur]

PG：Parker, Hill, Temple
SG:Manu, Anderson, Gee/Hairston
SF:Jefferson, Rasual Butler
PFuncan, Blair,Dice
C:Splitter, Richards, Mahinmi

^This

Seeing as how Richards will end up in Austin, I would even sweeten the pot by adding in Tolliver, as another possible big. We know how Pop loves his "stretch 4's". That would max out the roster at 15.