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that's it... game over
ooooh bastos provin quality
that's it... game over
i'd still take him over maradona with my eyes closed.
Pretty thorough wins the last few games...
i don't know where to find the WC scoring totals but it has to be definitely on pace to pass the '06 cup
I would take neither...
i'm very impressed with gilberto silva .. good quality and safety in midfield on a consistent basis.
ha ha true but if it were to pick only one of them you know what that pick is.
I don't know. The premise is basically we're not going to win it all with either, so might aswell coach myself instead...
Bielsa says the right things, his teams play the 'right way', but at the national level you need to know how to work out results. That's what Dunga does, and Maradona has been doing it too. Bielsa won't negotiate his ideas for a result, and ultimately that's costly.
Yeah I was just being sarcastic. I think that's 21 goals now in 6 knockout stage matches.
Chile would have been much better served to play to a tie today and hope to nail a counter. They went all up, and the result is expected. I mean, I don't care if it was pretty or valiant, but if I'm a Chilean right now, I would be pretty pissed.
Well as expected.
o Brasil
Should be entertaining game and tough for us.
now we just need Paraguay to bite the dust tomorrow to finally be able to claim what the three and only real soccer powerhouses are in South America
goddamn close enough lol
Good game chile, it was never in doubt though. Brasil - Holland is going to be a monster of a game, hopefully it lives up to the standards we set in the '98 semis.
119 goals scored so far. Total was 147 goals for 2006. Yeah, I think we're in pace.
lmaonow we just need Paraguay to bite the dust tomorrow to finally be able to claim what the three and only real soccer powerhouses are in South America
I want paraguay to win...
No more fantasy games for me...I just put Luis Fabiano, Robinho, Kaka, Elano and Maicon on my fantasy team...
wake me up when they win somethinglmao
I want paraguay to win...
I just want to send the last Asian team packing... that's all.wake me up when they win something
Since Chilavert they have been owning us... I have ZERO love for Paraguay... ZERO
elnono, i agree bielsa is too stubborn with his system, but I disagree that chileans should be pissed right now. in the 98 round of 16, the last time chile played in this instance, they also faced brazil and lost 4-1. It was also a much better team than the one that played today (zamorano + salas, plus several other good to decent players). that team played to counter and got trampled. this one got beat badly, but they did not get trampled. they got outsmarted by the more effective, more talented side.
most people only care for results. and they are important, of course. but it also is important to know how to get them. I've lived in chile on and off for 10+ years, and this is the only chilean team I've seen play something other than "hang from the cross bar and pray for a counter" footy. this morning, johan cruyff said chile was the team of the tournament precisely for its commitment to play an offensive style. I dont agree, but thats huge for people here. And more importantly, you can see in the players a difference- if you look at interviews from 98, you get "I hope / if we're lucky ... we can win". Now, you get "we're going to go out and win". I'd rather overconfident players than grounded ones any time.
in the end, regardless of how bielsa coached the team, brazil has more players and more talented players, and chile has the shortest team of the WC with only a handful of guys that almost play important roles in almost important teams. and on this day that they lost 3-0, they stood up to brazil equal to equal- if anything brazil was the one looking to counter. was it smart? probably not. but in the long run, its the only way they will get better.
further, :LMAO at brazilian /spanish people puffing their chests for beating chile. chile is a minnow next to you guys, not only do they have very few players, the ones they do have are not that great and on top of that extremely young. chile's best result in the Bielsa cycle was beating argentina at home, in Basile's last game with the team in utter turmoil. Even south korea beat more quality opponents in the run up to the WC than chile.
I agree that given the talent available, you can probably say they overachieved this time around. That said, even if they're proud that their team advanced, only an insane person would have this Chile team try to play all-out against this Brazil. And ultimately this is exactly Bielsa's weakness.
It didn't matter, did it? They still lost and they still are packing their and going home. 3-1, 4-1, 1-0, getting trampled, going all-out, it doesn't matter at all. It's like people ing because Brazil wins without playing pretty. They have the hardware, and all those criticizing would sell their mothers to get their hands on that trophy.
You can keep the moral victories. I'm sure Brazil will let you have it.
They played equal to equal to Brazil, and lost 3-0. Let's celebrate!
The whole 'they will get better' is a bunch of baloney too. There's nothing Bielsa can do to stop Mark Gonzales from being a stiff. And ultimately, the love affair ends. See Argentina for how this movie ends.
Brazil found so much space on this game because of Bielsa's style of putting a lot of players in the attack and very few on the defense, plus this Brazil team goes against their history and plays mostly on the counter, so they're used to waiting in their own half and take advantage of the other team's mistakes. Brazil will do well against offensive teams like Chile but they're going to struggle against defensive teams (just look at their games against Portugal and North Korea). They're lucky to face another offensive team in Holland the next round, although I think the Dutch have enough talent to pull the upset.
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