Ric Bucher: Cavs will not do a sign and trade with Lebron James

[Amarelooms]

Forget about Lebron dummies...we are going after Joe Johnson and CP3. See my thread "Memo to Cuban"

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dan Gilbert: Dallas has nothing that interests me. This team is going to be blown up if you leave, so there's no reason to keep a high payroll. The city of Cleveland would never forgive me for giving you away for table scraps. If you're willing to play for less in Chicago, then do what you've gotta do.

Roddy Beaubois isn't table scraps, quit talking nonsense. He's Dwayne Wade with a great jumper!

[Man About Town]

Dan Gilbert: Dallas has nothing that interests me. This team is going to be blown up if you leave, so there's no reason to keep a high payroll. The city of Cleveland would never forgive me for giving you away for table scraps. If you're willing to play for less in Chicago, then do what you've gotta do.

Dallas offers the Dampier contract, the Butler contract, Roddy, multiple picks, takes back the Jamison contract too. Gilbert wants to slash payroll and blow things up without LeBron? Dallas can help him do that. What is worse in the eyes of the Cleveland fanbase? Letting him walk to a division rival for nothing, having to see him four times a year, having him as a permanent obstruction in the playoffs once the Cavs get back there, or send him to the West, out of sight and out of mind?

Dallas never had more than a 2% chance of getting LeBron in a S'n'T anyways, but you can't say that the Mavs can't put together an attractive proposal if the Cavs are facing the worst-case scenario. That's all I'm saying.

[baseline bum]

Dampier can be slashed right off the bat. Caron can be serviced for one year then taken off payroll and you can get a young star in Roddy making rookie money. and dont forget multiple 1st rounders.. Makes more sense then watching him walk..

They'll be under the cap if they let James walk, and Jamison's deal is over in 2012. Beaubois isn't anywhere near good enough to just write James' ticket out of town. Late first round picks aren't that valuable, since they're guaranteed money for players that are usually lousy prospects. Early second-rounders are much better.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dallas offers the Dampier contract, the Butler contract, Roddy, multiple picks, takes back the Jamison contract too. Gilbert wants to slash payroll and blow things up without LeBron? Dallas can help him do that. What is worse in the eyes of the Cleveland fanbase? Letting him walk to a division rival for nothing, having to see him four times a year, having him as a permanent obstruction in the playoffs once the Cavs get back there, or send him to the West, out of sight and out of mind?

Dallas never had more than a 2% chance of getting LeBron in a S'n'T anyways, but you can't say that the Mavs can't put together an attractive proposal if the Cavs are facing the worst-case scenario. That's all I'm saying.

Quit acting like the average Cleveland fan knows enough about the NBA to think this logically. Some stupid ass factory shift manager would react to the trade as, "Wha! Lebron left and Dan Gilbert helped him leave? What a !"

[Amarelooms]

Dallas offers the Dampier contract, the Butler contract, Roddy, multiple picks, takes back the Jamison contract too. Gilbert wants to slash payroll and blow things up without LeBron? Dallas can help him do that. What is worse in the eyes of the Cleveland fanbase? Letting him walk to a division rival for nothing, having to see him four times a year, having him as a permanent obstruction in the playoffs once the Cavs get back there, or send him to the West, out of sight and out of mind?

Dallas never had more than a 2% chance of getting LeBron in a S'n'T anyways, but you can't say that the Mavs can't put together an attractive proposal if the Cavs are facing the worst-case scenario. That's all I'm saying.

Forget about Lebron dummy...we are going after Joe Johnson and CP3. See my thread "Memo to Cuban"

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dallas never had more than a 2% chance of getting LeBron in a S'n'T anyways, but you can't say that the Mavs can't put together an attractive proposal if the Cavs are facing the worst-case scenario. That's all I'm saying.

And I'm saying Cleveland would rather call Lebron's bluff than except that offer in the scenario you gave. Ric Bucher's report confirms what I'm saying.

[Dr. Gonzo]

What the is a Roddy Beaubois?

[4>0rings]

What the is a Roddy Beaubois?

Some scrub that a good NBA coach wouldn't let sniff the floor.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What the is a Roddy Beaubois?

Roddy Beaubois is the G.O.A.T. of all players who have ever averaged 7 points per game.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Sounds like some kind of fruity beverage.

[Man About Town]

Quit acting like the average Cleveland fan knows enough about the NBA to think this logically. Some stupid ass factory shift manager would react to the trade as, "Wha! Lebron left and Dan Gilbert helped him leave? What a !"

You can't operate your franchise based on what Steve in Toledo thinks. How many NBA GMS are taking their cue from AM sportstalk radio? Think about what you're saying.

[baseline bum]

Dallas offers the Dampier contract, the Butler contract, Roddy, multiple picks, takes back the Jamison contract too. Gilbert wants to slash payroll and blow things up without LeBron? Dallas can help him do that. What is worse in the eyes of the Cleveland fanbase? Letting him walk to a division rival for nothing, having to see him four times a year, having him as a permanent obstruction in the playoffs once the Cavs get back there, or send him to the West, out of sight and out of mind?

Dallas never had more than a 2% chance of getting LeBron in a S'n'T anyways, but you can't say that the Mavs can't put together an attractive proposal if the Cavs are facing the worst-case scenario. That's all I'm saying.

Definitely not calling LeBron's bluff would be worse in the eyes of Cleveland fans. They're already mad as at LeBron, and that would kill them to see him walk and get that extra year and higher raises on top of that. Cleveland is completely screwed whether they get nothing or they get an average point guard and some bad picks, so might as well roll the dice and hope James chooses the money.

[Man About Town]

They'll be under the cap if they let James walk, and Jamison's deal is over in 2012. Beaubois isn't anywhere near good enough to just write James' ticket out of town. Late first round picks aren't that valuable, since they're guaranteed money for players that are usually lousy prospects. Early second-rounders are much better.

They're barely under the cap if James leaves. Jamison has two years and $28 million left on his deal if I'm not mistaken. You think they want to pay that if James leaves? Taking Jamison off their hands gets them way under the cap. Butler has 1 year and $10 million left on his deal. Dampier has a $13 million cap figure that instantly vanishes in August. As for picks and Roddy, nowhere is it said that the Cavs are getting back 100 cents on the dollar. Dallas can set them up nicely with loads of cap space for 2011 and 2012. I guarantee you if the Cavs think they're going to lose LeBron, they'll try to package Jamison with him. That's the worst contract on their books.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You can't operate your franchise based on what Steve in Toledo thinks.

When Steve in Toledo is the one buying tickets, you better not piss Steve in Toledo off.

Would that trade make logical sense for Cleveland? Yes. Would someone like JoeTait be ok with it? Yes. The average Cleveland though wants to see Dan Gilbert not assist Lebron under any cir stances in leaving Cleveland. The Cavs need to stay away from sign and trades for the sake of image. It's a unique scenario unlike any other free agent.

[Man About Town]

When Steve in Toledo is the one buying tickets, you better not piss Steve in Toledo off.

Would that trade make logical sense for Cleveland? Yes. Would someone like JoeTait be ok with it? Yes. The average Cleveland though wants to see Dan Gilbert not assist Lebron under any cir stances in leaving Cleveland. The Cavs need to stay away from sign and trades for the sake of image. It's a unique scenario unlike any other free agent.

Steve in Toledo will be back once the Cavs are winning again. A trade like the one to Dallas helps get the rebuilding process going quicker. If Lebron leaves for nothing, they're barely under the cap with a bunch of old guys. The sooner they slash payroll and start the youth movement, the better. Fans will be back once the team is winning again.

[baseline bum]

They're barely under the cap if James leaves. Jamison has two years and $28 million left on his deal if I'm not mistaken. You think they want to pay that if James leaves? Taking Jamison off their hands gets them way under the cap. Butler has 1 year and $10 million left on his deal. Dampier has a $13 million cap figure that instantly vanishes in August. As for picks and Roddy, nowhere is it said that the Cavs are getting back 100 cents on the dollar. Dallas can set them up nicely with loads of cap space for 2011 and 2012. I guarantee you if the Cavs think they're going to lose LeBron, they'll try to package Jamison with him. That's the worst contract on their books.

They're setup to be about $20 million under the cap next summer if James walks. Trading for Butler and Beaubois only gets them to about the MLE in capspace this season, so that does absolutely zero for them this summer. Cleveland's not even close to being in the kind of situation New York and Portland were in.

[Man About Town]

I would love to get Joe Tait's feedback on this, but I believe that given the media coverage of LeBron's free agency, coupled with the fact that the town is already pissed at him, the Cleveland fanbase wouldn't blame Gilbert if he left and the Cavs salvaged something for him in a S'n'T. Just my opinion.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Like I said, JoeTait isn't the right person who's opinion to gauge. He'd probably be fine with Lebron leaving and anything Cleveland would get back is just deserts. People like Thunder Dan are the people Gilbert is thinking about.

[MavDynasty]

lol link

[monosylab1k]

Did DoK just forget what account he was posting under? Or am I missing something. It would be great if Dragic was a DoK troll.

for real? He's only made it completely obvious that's his troll countless times already. Are you really this obtuse?

Are you still wondering who Anthony Randolph and Greg Oden are too?

[monosylab1k]

and Ric Bucher. name me one time where that guy wasn't talking out of his ass.

he said Jerry Buss was right on the verge of accepting a Terry/Howard for Kobe trade.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why would Bucher make up a story about Cleveland not doing any sign and trades? That would be a random, unglamorous story. It's not like he said, "Lebron strongly considering joining the Clipshow!"

[Veterinarian]

for real? He's only made it completely obvious that's his troll countless times already. Are you really this obtuse?

Are you still wondering who Anthony Randolph and Greg Oden are too?

tbh, I don't spend that much time on here, my attendance is very periodic. I know you're Anthony Randolph, who's Greg Oden?

Also, whatever happened to the TheSanityAnnex? I used to like watching you and him argue in the NFL forum. That was usually Super-venomous.

[monosylab1k]

Why would Bucher make up a story about Cleveland not doing any sign and trades?

Because other reporters are getting all the bull from World Wide Wes first.