You need to get laid and get over your hatred of women.
women are a-not a minority b-get paid less than a man to do the same job. Also I don't hate women
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There was really only one time that I felt "discriminated against" in my life and it was on the PSATs. I scored a 200 on the PSATs, National Merit Scholar requires a 204 - for white/asian people. If I were black I would have needed a 160, and a mexican 135. After the initial anger over this subsided, I started to think about it and decided I would be far more angry as a minority. The state is saying YOU ARE INFERIOR. I can't understand how anyone would fight for the right to be viewed as inferior (and substantially so).
Expectations need to be raised on a social level (yes on a parental level too, but I don't think that I can affect that change without invasion of privacy). I met my step-daughter when she was 9, no one had really talked about college to her, and she said that she was not going to go to college, doesn't need it, etc. It was not pushed as something of import by my wife or her family. I was appalled, I was always going to go to college, even in the 7 years I took as a "break" from college, I was going to go. Well I immediately started to passively and actively talk about the importance of college to her and around her. I put my money where my mouth was went back and finished my degree, and am now in a grad program. She turns 13 this week, and she has been talking about going to college for about a year and a half now. She is even interested in finding out which ones would be good for what she wants to do (now, obviously this can change, but the point is the interest is there).
She had no expectations set upon her for higher education for the first 3/4 of her life, and she didnt have any desire to do anything other than finish school as required. After expectations were raised and stable, her interest flourished. I think the same needs to be implemented on a social level.
(P.S. I understand that college is not the correct path for every person, but if she has the expectation of post (high school) graduate education, then, whatever she chooses to do, she can pursue it in a much more competent manner (want to be a chef, go to culinary school, not get a job as a cook at IHOP, etc).
Well said, and that perfectly illustrates the point i made. Why would I, as a Latino or African American, want to be held to lower standards than the rest!?? That is insulting, in my opinion...As a white guy, is my capacity for learning and understanding better than a brown or black person? i highly doubt it......if so, id like to see the science. Sounds like some sort of KKK type ideology....
Learning is Learning. Race / religion / etc should have absolutely 0 weight when deciding scholarships, merits, etc...
As far as scholarships go, I would have to say . . . it depends. For something like the National Merit Scholar, I would have to say I agree. On the other hand, if a group of people (benefactors) get together and want to pay for the education of a specific type of person, go for it (I relate that to a family pooling their money together to send "the smart one" off to college). There are those types of scholarships for white people too, just not in the same amounts and you have to really look (There is/used to be one called something like "The Irish Fund" when I graduated HS for example).
Lets be clear. No one is saying minorities can't succeed given the current environment and no one is saying they are inferior. I like the example you gave because (and remember this phrase because its of utmost importance) all things being equal then if you take 1000 kids of various backgrounds then one would expect that a proportionate number of each race would be "successful". If you had 80% white 10% black and 10% Hispanic then you could expect those same percentages to be the breakdown of the successful students.
However, lets say you took 1000 students again and this time started them with completely different socioeconomic backgrounds. The white students were 80% middle class, 10% rich, 10% poor. The blacks and Hispanics were 30% middle class, 1% rich, and 69% percent poor. Then, when we saw the breakdown of the successful students do you feel it would be made up more of white students or would we see a similar breakdown to the first?
Obviously the actual statistics I've used here are completely arbitrary but I'm sure what we can all agree on and what I could back up with actual data is that the second scenario is far closer to what we experience in reality.
In short, the main most basic reason why minorities due worse than others is money. There are more specific and compounding reasons such as cultural differences but its no secret that the greatest indicator of future success for a family's children is their income.
Most of the money given to minorities in this country aimed at minorities comes from private sources and not the government. I myself am receiving a small scholarship aimed at minorities who are pursuing degrees in the sciences, engineering or computer sciences but the vast majority of my education is being funded by the same thing any student of any race will get: loans.
In short to answer why any student should be given special consideration based upon their race I will say two things. The first is that if a person wants to establish a fund to raise the stature of a community they belong to, I see nothing wrong with that. The boy scouts offer boy scout scholarships, Athletics offer athletes scholarships, and if Mexicans want to help other Mexicans then that's all the reason they need. But from a societal level, I believe its in our society's best interest to make sure all races are equally represented and have the all races do well. When society has for quite some time held specific races back, then it is their obligation to then help them catch up. All it takes is a look at our nation's statistics to see that African Americans and Hispanics are far from caught up.
You and I agree on the fact that it would be a good thing to help them catch up. I disagree, however, that lowering expectations is going to help them become equal. I have an example, but it could be dismissed as an outlier since I don't have any type of metadata.
Lowering expectations is an insult, IMO.
http://www.essence.com/fashion_beaut...urns_for_s.php
Great show on BET. "MY BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL"
Wonder how come CMT does not have a show called "MY WHITE IS BEAUTIFUL"
Hmmmmmmm
racist, self hating jews own BET.
Doesn't Bob Johnson (I think) own BET?? The guy who just sold the Bobcats??
u mad
so mad
C'mon dude, it's all bad. The only thing is you choose to belittle this or that. When discrimination against anyone is bad, why do you feel the need to whip your out and compare who has it worse? "White boy/cracker" is bad. "Crackhead ######" is bad. "Lazy " is bad. So are " ","Whop" while we're at it etc.
I guess you would know better than me?I really doubt you couldn't find scholarships that you were eligible for based upon race if you have mixed ethnicity unless that mixed ethnicity contains no minority backgrounds.I don't need anyone feeling sorry for me. When it came down to me taking out loans I could have borrowed less money and gone to a cheaper school but I wanted the best education my credit score could get me.
Fair enough, I don't take argument to this statement. If you went to China, most of the wealth would probably be controlled by Chinese people. America is a melting pot and not China, yes. But America is mostly white, doesn't it make sense that with a larger population they would control more wealth?I don't know what every white person or every minority feels but I do know that white people have the wealth in this country. The race is most definitely not even even and ever sociological stat in the book backs that up.
The more things change....the more they stay the same.
Watching how black characters are treated on television can affect at udes about race both consciously and unconsciously, new findings suggest. In a two-part study, researchers at Tufts University examined nonverbal behavior toward characters of different races on television shows, then tested how clips from these shows affected viewers’ prejudices.
First, the team found clips of mixed-race scenes from 11 popular TV shows with prominent black and white characLuck_The_Fakers_ters. In each clip, they blocked out one character to hide his or her race, turned off the sound, then asked volunteers whether the blocked-out character was seen by the other characters in a positive or negative light. The researchers found that in nine of the 11 shows—Friday Night Lights, CSI, House, CSI: Miami, Scrubs, Greek, Heroes, Reno 911! and Grey’s Anatomy—viewers thought the actors’ body language and facial expressions were less favorable when they were responding to someone who was black. The only two shows without this bias were Bones and Rob and Big.
Then the researchers showed clips from all the shows, with the images restored to normal, to a new group of viewers who had no idea the study was about race. After watching clips in which black characters were treated less favorably than whites, the viewers’ conscious at udes about race did not change. But they were faster to associate white people with positive words such as “laughter” and black people with negative words such as “failure”—a sign that this implicit bias had found its way from the TV screen into people’s behavior, the researchers say. After watching clips in which black characters were treated better than whites, however, viewers not only displayed less implicit bias toward blacks, they also showed improved conscious at udes toward blacks as measured by a questionnaire.
Because these TV shows’ bias in either direction is unintentional, suggests Tufts psychologist Nalini Ambady, one of the researchers working on the study, simply being aware of it might help actors and directors to counteract it or use it to a positive end.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...fm?id=color-tv
...and?
LOL seriously? You don't find anything relevant about evidence that television pushes negativity about black people in a thread about whether or not BET is OK today?
I do not argue your points, however, the fact remains that the only negativity that matters is that that is pushed upon our children in our own homes. Across all races.
If our children are left to TV for guidance, that in itself is our major failure.
It starts with the parents of every child.
There will be outside negative influences at every turn of life and that is something that our children must be shielded against. Not shielded by keeping them from being exposed to it. But by shielding them with the wisdom to recognize and reject those negative influences.
To do the right thing, no matter what.
JESUS H. CHRIST
I swear some of y'all will argue about anything, including the most mindless stuff. 8 ing pages? That's about 7.5 more pages than should be dedicated to that hole of a channel (oh, and I'm black btw). Ridiculous.
oh this is great.
manny championing black people and television through 8 pages of thread and the one black guy comes in and says BET sucks. irony at its finest.
Look, y'all can debate racism all y'all want, but the only thing I'm addressing is what the OP brought up--BET. I wanted this thread to die a quick, quiet death but enough is enough, god damn!
So, youre saying the producers and directors of those named shows consciously push a negative stereotype about black people?
...and that this practice is a widespread "epidemic" amongst media and entertainment?
Screams victim mentality to me. When you want to be a victim, youll always be a victim.
You might have forgotten, but I dont give a about BET, its existence or its implications to people who want to be offended (namely people who argue the "WET" angle).
But pointing out that black people in television shows are somewhat associated with negative attributes, to me, says nothing at all. Also, notice SciAm never stated statistics, only used words like "less" and "more", not specifics. I wonder why that is?
With their lack of clarification, at least from the excerpt you posted, you might be talking about a very low percentage of subjects who even displayed the characteristics in question.
Just doesnt seem relevant. Unless youre looking to play the victim role...are you?
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