Based on their games in this tournament, this will be finals before the finals.
Should be an awesome game.
that's right son, gased on their games it should be germany ass whoopin mexico
Damn right my man, I'm already practicing my german for saturdaythat's right son, gased on their games it should be germany ass whoopin mexico
Herzlichen Glückwunsch Deutschland!
as I wrote before, both parents belonged to the german minority in upper silesia. they represented poland internationally, true, but nevertheless, they had german roots.
yes, it wasn't a penalty. however, as sefant wrote, it was a kind of a compensation for the not given penalty after augenthaler was clearly fouled in the box (around 65th minute I guess). I recall reading a comment in a book back in 1990. the author wrote that the refs' decision to call the decisive penatly "was not fair, but equitable". I still can't understand why so many argentineans still believe they were robbed. germany was clearly the better team throughout the entire final and they deserved the win.
cosigned.
I have a feeling all of Brazil is going to be chanting "so what? 5 championships! you can't with that" by Friday...
Last edited by MaNuMaNiAc; 06-30-2010 at 07:38 AM.
Germany was the better team throughout that WC, but we left out Brazil (luckiest game ever for us) and Italy (playing at home).
So we were a good team too.
Anyway, you deserved to win. Penalty or not.
This time, Germany has looked better so far, but never count us out.
Of course Argentina was a good team in 1990, too. To beat Brazil and Italy (at home) was quite impressive. Yeah, against Brazil you had some luck (I recall several times the Brazilians hitting the bar and the post), but luck is part of the game.
I just watched those two red cards (Monzon, Dezotti) against you on youtube. Can't believe that still many people on youtube (probably Argentineans, sorry to say) are still ing about them. Monzon jumped into Klinsmann with outstretched legs and without a chance to hit the ball. Dezotti choked Kohler. Both scences are clearly visible. If these two are not a red card, I don't what is.
If someone calls you out, he/she must be on crack.
That foul by Monzon was ridiculous. The red card was well deserved.
First player EVER to receive a red card in a final game of a WC.
I don´t remember Dezzoti´s ejection. ( Why did Dezzoti play that game? lol Was it because Caniggia was suspended?)
I don't agree that Germany looked better so far. They had two impressive games - against Australia (a team you have to beat!) and England. But you have to keep in mind that England was clearly not a contender. England is always named as a frontrunner before World Cups but they never showed up. One semifinal the last 40 years is not very impressive.
England played poorly in all group stages games so it was no surprise that they lost the game against Germany.
I expect a very close game. Either team can beat the other one. Perhaps Argentina is the slightly favorite in this match.
Yeah, you could be right. Caniggia was suspended due to a yellow card in the semis. Concerning the fouls:That foul by Monzon was ridiculous. The red card was well deserved.
First player EVER to receive a red card in a final game of a WC.
I don´t remember Dezzoti´s ejection. ( Why did Dezzoti play that game? lol Was it because Caniggia was suspended?)
IMO, both suspensions were well deserved.
Last edited by Sportstudi; 06-30-2010 at 09:06 AM.
5 rings puto?
In 1990 Argentina didn't deserve to be in the final based on the play they displayed during that tournament but in the final Codesal screwed us over, there's no other way around it, not only for the invented penalty but also for a penalty that didn't call in favour of Argentina prior to the goal.
And I don't know what non-called penalty in favour of Germany you're talking about but if it's the play around the 2:10 mark on this video, let me say that I don't see a penalty there. The play that I'm talking about is around the 3:00 mark, look how that German player sweeps Calderon's leg inside the box.
Like I said, Argentina didn't deserve to get that far in that WC but you can't say that Codesal didn't favour Germany on that final.
Pleasen DAF. Normally, I remembered you here as a fair member of this board, but now you can' be serious.
If you really think that the play at 3:00 is worth a penalty and the one at 2:10 is not, you are, sorry to say, a clear homer. Either you say both are not worthy to be awarded a penalty or both are. And the two red cards for Argentina were well deserved. Look at the videos above and if you think both Monzon and Dezotti shouldn't be suspended I don't know what to say...
Edit: I have to say that I have seen a couple of videos so far from different angles about this incident during the last 20 years. Probably not on this video you posted, but on other ones it was clearly visible that Goycochea jammed Augenthaler's leg between his own ones. If you haven't seen other videos of this incident yet, I apologize. But please do so and you will know what I mean.
Last edited by Sportstudi; 06-30-2010 at 01:42 PM.
I didn't say anything about Monzon or Dezotti, they were both well "red carded". I'm talking about those penalties. That Calderon one looks like he clearly got his leg swept, maybe others can give their opinion. And about the Augenthaler one, no I haven't seen other angles from that play (if you can, please provide them 'cause I can't find them) but in this video it looks like a big time flop to me, again maybe others can give their opinion.
If I find any video showing other angles of that incident on youtube, I will post it here.
There were some concerning that incident on youtube a few years earlier, but probably they have been deleted by now. I have to add that I saw a couple of years ago some of those videos showing other angles just on normal television and not on youtube. Thus, it would be a bit difficult to post them here. But again, if I find one or more, I will add them here.
Last edited by Sportstudi; 06-30-2010 at 02:20 PM.
yes Im aware of the other play that should have been a penalty, but two wrongs dont make a right. its very different to get a penalty against you at the 65th minute, then for it to happen at the 90th. thats why 20 years later that final hurts so bad- not because argentina deserved to win or was the best of the tournament... but because we were very close to pulling it out against all odds and had it yanked at the last second by the ref.
ref errors are a part of all sports, but they always hurt more in the last minutes because you dont have a chance to overcome them.
That penalty was awarded in minute 84. Sure, it was close to the end, but not impossible to score the equalizer.
sons i predict germany goes on a huge offensive .
7-0 you saw it here first!
lol son, Germany already ed prematurely all over the brits. Time to send them back home...
NO WAY!
NO WAY!
son i don't understand what argies love so much about men with long hair all looking like wedding singers... but hey, it's maradona's team he should know best!
son we got alot of thesein brasil. Tho i really hope we win cause we'd be the first country to repeat since the tournament is serious (after ww2) ... oh damn .. we already did that....and nobody else of course
lol @ es who use american vernacular to explain their country's greatnessson we got alot of these
Balla? tho'? really? You're trying soooooooooooooooooo hard to be american. It's cute
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