RICHARD JEFFERSON opts OUT!!

[ohmwrecker]

Yeah, and the Spurs still won the same amount of games and ended up getting swept by the Suns. He was a terrible fit and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say.

Feel free to have your opinion and freak out. I don't see this as a big deal basketball wise. I see it as a great deal financially for the team. Thats it.

We will see how things play out.

First, I'm not freaking out, I am being realistic. I am willing to listen to ideas that make just a little bit of sense, but I am not getting that from you.

Secondly, it does nothing for the team financially but take them out of the luxury tax, which they will probably have to get right back into if they hope to compete at the same level this season.

[DPG21920]

If we are rebuilding then . . . sure trade TP. Maybe Tim and Manu can retire and the Spurs can be a perennial bottom dwelling lottery team for years to come. Why even bother signing Splitter? it, right?

What are you going on about? The Spurs have different options no matter how they want to proceed. They should still sign Splitter and try to win now. Losing RJ does not hurt that very much if at all imo for the reasons I have outlined.

[Kindergarten Cop]

1 hour sons.

What's going to be difficult is that we likely won't hear anything until July 8th at the earliest, which is when FAs can begin officially signing. I hope I'm wrong and we know what will happen much sooner than that.

[DPG21920]

First, I'm not freaking out, I am being realistic. I am willing to listen to ideas that make just a little bit of sense, but I am not getting that from you.

Ok.

Secondly, it does nothing for the team financially but take them out of the luxury tax, which they will probably have to get right back into if they hope to compete at the same level this season.

It does help the Spurs. Maybe if you read it from Timvp's post on how (a while back) you will love it.

[Agloco]

Ok..question..if the Spurs clear the 15 mil off the books, couldn't holt just go right back into the luxury tax if he chose? I mean, if he was already facing the chance of having to pay his sorry ass this year, then why not go like 10 Mil back into it and get something with value? This of course unless there is some kind of regulation about doing this kind of thing.

Official Info:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

Talk about the Spurs specific situation:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125187

[HarlemHeat37]

a lot of overreacting IMO..this could be bad, but it's not a panic situation..let it play out first..I didn't read past the 2nd page, so I'll probably repeat some points that others have made..

I thought Jefferson would work out due to the fact that he shot a great % from 3s in the previous season(I assumed it wasn't an anomaly) and the fact that he was once a good defender(I assumed he could still be one with a reduced offensive role)..I was very wrong..

Jefferson had a disgustingly bad 13 PER this season, which shows his statistical output..his efficiency wasn't bad, but he shot 31% from 3, which won't work in this system(or any system in the NBA where you aren't one of the main options, TBH)..

In the playoffs, he had a horrid 10 PER, while shooting 20% from 3s..the other team purposely left him open, as Jarred Dudley admitted, and it really hurt the Spurs offense..

How did he make up for it?..he didn't, really IMO..he was a decent rebounder, 2nd best wing rebounder on the team behind Hairston(statistically)..defensively?..he was usually horrible..he had some games where he played good help D, and he had some games where he played good individual D(usually on big SG/SF types like Pierce and Joe Johnson), but he was usually pretty bad..he missed an amazing amount of rotations, and he often didn't provide any energy for the Spurs..

In regards to creating offense, 70% of his points were assisted..an extremely high number for a wing player..the only players that created less offense for the Spurs this season were Bonner, McDyess and Bogans..

Jefferson had more FGA outside of 10+ feet than he did inside, which speaks on how poor of a fit he is..with this team, he has to spend a lot of time outside of his comfort zone..to allow Jefferson to get in a comfort zone, it requires him to have the ball in his hands a lot, which isn't a possibility for a team that wants to win more than 30 games..

So basically, for the Spurs, Richard Jefferson was a role player that couldn't shoot and couldn't defend..how does that make any sense?..it's not difficult to find an upgrade over that..



So potential negatives that could come out of this:

-Spurs re-sign Jefferson for longer..this would be horrible and wouldn't make any sense for the Spurs..

-The Spurs won't find a better talent..this is a given, it will have to be accepted..the Spurs won't find a guy with more talent or with a bigger name than Jefferson..

-It creates a bigger question mark for a position that already had plenty of question marks to begin with..

-No ability for a trade at the deadline..

Potential positives:

-It forces the Spurs' FO to be aggressive..

-It makes room for a possible better fit, which would come in the form of shooting + defending, which isn't that difficult to find..anybody that can play D and shoot 30+ % from 3 is an upgrade over Jefferson..

-This could lead to a S&T..


If Hairston and/or Gee can shoot 30%+ from 3, they are upgrades over Jefferson from a fitting standpoint..if the Spurs get a Barnes or James Jones type, they would pretty much be an instant upgrade over Jefferson from a fit-standpoint..

I don't think some people understand how bad Jefferson was this season..

RJ has the better peak ability than anybody the Spurs could potentially acquire(outside of a trade), but from a consistency standpoint, it would be difficult to NOT find an upgrade..if the Spurs can get a good defensive wing, which isn't difficult to find(as long as they aren't looking for 30+ year olds), it's an upgrade over Jefferson from a fit-standpoint..Jefferson didn't consistently give the Spurs anything..

[jesterbobman]

I haven't read the whole thread, but the big winner is Holt's chequebook. It does however, put us into a bit of a limbo situation, as we don't have a competent SF without him, and our MLE will probably be used on Tiago. We don't have a way of replacing RJ without a Sign and trade, because as much as he was overpaid for his production, it was still better than what we could get with the LLE.

[DPG21920]

I'm not too worried about the situation the Spurs find themselves in. If RJ didn't fit in the locker room or if they believe he's a horrible fit, they have a good chance to S&T him. If RJ leaves and the Spurs have to replace him with a minimum-type player, at least that player will either be a better shooter or defender than RJ.

The main problem with RJ is his defense and shooting are weakspots ... and those are the two areas the Spurs need their small forward to stand out. If Splitter comes and TP regains his footing, the Spurs can cover the points they'll miss out with RJ leaving. In that sense, a role player who can either defend or shoot lights out isn't a bad option.

Now if the Spurs miss out on Splitter, I'll really start to worry. No Splitter and no RJ and the Spurs might as well start rebuilding.

First, I'm not freaking out, I am being realistic. I am willing to listen to ideas that make just a little bit of sense, but I am not getting that from you.

Secondly, it does nothing for the team financially but take them out of the luxury tax, which they will probably have to get right back into if they hope to compete at the same level this season.

There, Timvp said something similar. Does that comfort you, or is he not making any sense?

[ohmwrecker]

Losing RJ does not hurt that very much if at all imo for the reasons I have outlined.

How does losing your starting SF and a tradeable asset for nothing not hurt just a little? Even the biggest RJ hater has got to admit that this was worst case scenario type of situation.

[DPG21920]

a lot of overreacting IMO..

I thought Jefferson would work out due to the fact that he shot a great % from 3s in the previous season(I assumed it wasn't an anomaly) and the fact that he was once a good defender(I assumed he could still be one with a reduced offensive role)..I was very wrong..

Jefferson had a disgustingly bad 13 PER this season, which shows his statistically output..his efficiency wasn't bad, but he shot 31% from 3, which won't work in this system(or any system in the NBA where you aren't one of the main options, TBH)..

In the playoffs, he had a horrid 10 PER, while shooting 20% from 3s..the other team purposely left him open, as Jarred Dudley admitted, and it really hurt the Spurs offense..

How did he make up for it?..he didn't, really IMO..he was a decent rebounder, 2nd best wing rebounder on the team behind Hairston(statistically)..defensively?..he was usually horrible..he had some games where he played good help D, and he had some games where he played good individual D(usually on big SG/SF types like Pierce and Joe Johnson), but he was usually pretty bad..he missed an amazing amount of rotations, and he often didn't provide any energy for the Spurs..

In regards to creating offense, 70% of his points were assisted..an extremely high number for a wing player..the only players that created less offense for the Spurs this season were Bonner, McDyess and Bogans..

Jefferson had more FGA outside of 10+ feet than he did inside, which speaks on how poor of a fit he is..with this team, he has to spend a lot of time outside of his comfort zone..to allow Jefferson to get in a comfort zone, it requires him to have the ball in his hands a lot, which isn't a possibility for a team that wants to win more than 30 games..



So potential negatives that could come out of this:

-Spurs re-sign Jefferson for longer..this would be horrible and wouldn't make any sense for the Spurs..

-The Spurs won't find a better talent..this is a given, it will have to be accepted..the Spurs won't find a guy with more talent or with a bigger name than Jefferson..

-It creates a bigger question mark for a position that already had plenty of question marks to begin with..

-No ability for a trade at the deadline..

Potential positives:

-It forces the Spurs' FO to be aggressive..

-It makes room for a possible better fit, which would come in the form of shooting + defending, which isn't that difficult to find..anybody that can play D and shoot 30+ % from 3 is an upgrade over Jefferson..

-This could lead to a S&T..

How people don't see this is beyond me. I get their concerns, but to completely dismiss this is being over emotional and freaking out.

[DPG21920]

How does losing your starting SF and a tradeable asset for nothing not hurt just a little? Even the biggest RJ hater has got to admit that this was worst case scenario type of situation.

1) He is still a tradeable asset.

2) This is far from the worst case scenario.

3) I am not saying it might not hurt a little, I just think it has little bearing on anything overall and I see potential to come out better.

[Harry Callahan]

just became Derek Anderson 2.0. The Spurs did a sign and trade with him and got the great Steve Smith. S bag.

[ohmwrecker]

There, Timvp said something similar. Does that comfort you, or is he not making any sense?

I'm not really looking for comfort, but no, it doesn't. I'm not really a blind worshiper of Timvp. I don't think the situation is hopeless either. You are right, there are options and scenarios that could turn this into a positive deal, but solutions like having Malik ing Haiston as the starting SF is just absurd.

[ohmwrecker]

Your ability to quote people who are more articulate than you is not impressive.

[timtonymanurich]

How on earth are we going to replace his 9 points a game and terrible defensive rotations?!?

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!!

[DPG21920]

Your ability to argue while bringing nothing to the table is even more impressive. LMAO at the more articulate comment. I have laid it out in plain English for you, but you are in panic mode so you choose to ignore it.

I have answered every single one of your little shots and questions with the same exact stuff people are commenting on. They have said nothing more than I have really.

[ohmwrecker]

1) He is still a tradeable asset.

Well, he could be, but it's not a sure thing.

2) This is far from the worst case scenario.

As of right now, it is. It could turn into something better, but I'm not talking about "what ifs" right now

3) I am not saying it might not hurt a little, I just think it has little bearing on anything overall and I see potential to come out better.

You may be right . . . I see the potential too, but I didn't see anything worthwhile coming from your end. It's possible I missed something.

[ezau]

It's time to get somebody who fits. RJ and his overpaid ass.

[DPG21920]

If we are rebuilding then . . . sure trade TP. Maybe Tim and Manu can retire and the Spurs can be a perennial bottom dwelling lottery team for years to come. Why even bother signing Splitter? it, right?

How does losing your starting SF and a tradeable asset for nothing not hurt just a little? Even the biggest RJ hater has got to admit that this was worst case scenario type of situation.

First, I'm not freaking out, I am being realistic. I am willing to listen to ideas that make just a little bit of sense, but I am not getting that from you.

Secondly, it does nothing for the team financially but take them out of the luxury tax, which they will probably have to get right back into if they hope to compete at the same level this season.

Here is someone I am quoting that is definitely not more articulate than I am.

[Waps1980]

We'll just have to clear out bonner and mason to get under the cap.
Guys like Hairston, Tample and the like were more value on the court anyway.
And with Anderson filling a 3 point spot and surely no worse than bonner at a pressure 3.
This will free up a further 7 mill for us.

Does this work or don't I know what I'm talking about?

[rayray2k8]

34 pages of this ??
This will look silly on us if it turns out to be a good thing for the spurs. Fill in your prediction here ______________________________.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not really looking for comfort, but no, it doesn't. I'm not really a blind worshiper of Timvp. I don't think the situation is hopeless either. You are right, there are options and scenarios that could turn this into a positive deal, but solutions like having Malik ing Haiston as the starting SF is just absurd.

Who cares who they start? If Anderson plays 20 mpg and Hairston plays 11 (a whopping 5 more than last season) then you have replaced RJ's minutes.

Really what we need from the 3 position is perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. Thats my main concern here because while Hairston is a better defender in pretty much every way than RJ, he was putrid from 3.

Anderson is not a noted defender but I would think that they can replace RJs 13 pts and 4 rpg per 36 mins.

[DPG21920]

Well, he could be, but it's not a sure thing.

How was it a sure thing with him here? Are you sure other teams would want him? Because you said teams did not want our unguaranteed contracts. Would the Spurs be willing to take on a longer contract, because "conventional" wisdom says that is what they would get for RJ.

As of right now, it is. It could turn into something better, but I'm not talking about "what ifs" right now

Umm, yes you are. This is all hypothetical. Just like your RJ morphing into a better fit next year scenario.

You may be right . . . I see the potential too, but I didn't see anything worthwhile coming from your end. It's possible I missed something.

You just said you could see the potential. Which is exactly what I have said. LOL you.

[johnnySpurs]

It's official. God is a Spurs fan.

[admiralsnackbar]

How was it a sure thing with him here?

Because there are always mis-managed teams that want emergency cap- relief, and expiring albatross contracts are the best way to get that.