Are you daft? I am talking about what we have used at the three in the past. Even with Bowen who went 6-7 200, they would routinely put him on 2s and leave Manu or whoever else on the opponents 3s.
The point is that this idea that 6-6 215ish is too small to play the 3 in the Spurs system is flat ass wrong.
Now trading TP make sense if he brings Rudy, Batum or Danny Granger and a 2nd tier PG
This should not be considered a rebuilding move
However, if SPURS keep TP, then let's sign Dorrell Wright. He is very close to a Bruce Bowen clone player (play defense and shot 3). Hopefully, Heats does not have time to negotiate contract with him while recruiting big FA
The worst move is to resign RJ w/o a sign and trade
If Splitter comes we won't have such a need for Bonner he really only plays like a 4 in defense anyway.They're FA's, nothing to clear out here.
Bonner was a 4....... Anderson is a 2. Different positions, but yeah hopefully Anderson can bury a few when they matter.
How do you figure?
An A for effort........
on espn if the salary's are correct Bonner=3.256mill Mason=3.78mill
This is exactly what's happening. I'll bet he signs a three year deal around $10 million a year to coincide with Manu's deal. That's like getting him for slightly more than the MLE the last 2 years and lowers the luxury tax hit this year by 5 to 6 million almost paying for one of those years. Everyone gets something out of that. Then they both come off the books at the same time. Timmy probably retires, Splitter is ready for a bigger contract if he pans out, etc.
People really under rate the production he brought to the Spurs as the 4th option.
Sure he wasn't the "picture perfect fit", and sure he didn't average the 20 points he averaged in Milwaukee, but those 20 points per game was impossible to produce with the scarce amount of opportunities he had playing behind the big 3.
Even if he was the 4th option, he still scored in double digits in 58 games last year (more than 15 points per game in 32 outings). And was instrumental in many victories, even in the playoffs.
About his defense, I know he wasn't Bruce Bowen on the defensive end, but the guy showed progress as the season progressed; not so much on the ball, but off the ball; especially in putting in the effort and contesting shots around the rim more effectively than any big man outside of Duncan. I'm not saying he was Dikembe Mutombo by any means; but he was progressively active in this regard, especially in the last few months of the season.
Overall saying he didn't do anything is foolish to say.
Without him the Spurs would have more than likely been a lottery team this past year. Fact is R.J gets too much of the blame for the Spurs' disappointing year. He was not the reason why the Spurs rubbed one out, so to speak.
There were other reasons why the Spurs failed when it was all said and done. Most notably, the lack of having an established clear cut 5th wing ( part of it was Pop's fault) and the lack of interior defense that doomed the Spurs in the end. Not so much Jefferson.
Pop stubbornly made the wrong choice for the team by investing in the wrong players (Mason, Bogans) all damn year. Even when these two players were atrocious for the last 3 months of the season, Pop didn't budge and stubbornly played the law of averages game. In the end, Pop put the team in a very vulnerable position from a depth standpoint by stubbornly giving Mason and Bogans the responsibility as the 5th wing. It made no sense to do this and still doesn't til this day.
As a result of Mason and Bogans maintaining their atrocious status, the Spurs back court and Jefferson were forced way too many minutes and it showed in their 4th quarter execution down the stretch ( even in the Dallas series ).
Pop should have given more responsibility and prepared Hairston or Temple somewhere in the last 2 months of the regular season, when Mason and Bogans were consistently horrid. (Believe it or not, Hairston and Temple had more productive minutes than Mason and Bogans did all season; even if they played less minutes. )
If Hairston or Temple would have panned out as a 5th wing, Spurs could have stretched their bench enough, which would've given Manu more gas at the end of games to " go for the throat", and Hill wouldn't have had as big of a responsibility offensively ( because of Manu and Tony having less but more efficient minutes, and more efficient touches). But Pop was too stubborn to find this out.
By no means am I blaming the year on Popovich, but he certainly could have made different decisions in regards of the rotation that could have put the Spurs in a better position to compete in the playoffs. Many people just point at R.J and blame him. I couldn't disagree more.
Hopefully now Splitter can come in to help the interior defense and hopefully Spurs can find a respectable replacement for R.J via trade ( less likely) or for the LLE. If not then I hope Hairston, Gee and Anderson are ready to contribute.
Everyone assuming Jefferson is gone shouldn't get their hopes up just yet. As I was alluding too earlier, there's a good chance Jefferson, like Davis in '08, did this knowing what he's doing and not just on a whim or because he wasn't thrilled with the situation last season.
Watch the Spurs sign him to a 3 year/$24 million dollar contract.
It's too small NOW is the point. The spurs desperately need some length at that spot. How is that not obvious?
Assuming that the Spurs stay under the luxury tax in 2010-11, converting 1yr/15M to 3yrs/24M would represent a huge savings for the Spurs. Even at 4yrs/32M, it's close to cost neutral.
I sure hope he resigns for 3 years. that would be a great move IMO.
Finally! People are starting to make some sense.
My thoughts exactly.Got damn the stupid is just oozing out of the cracks tonight. Really? Any random scrub can average 12 ppg?
WTF are you talking about. We have never had a 6-9 235 3 ever. Elliott was 6-8 sure but he was only 205.
In our system its all about perimeter defense and spacing the floor with an outside shot. Your length bull is just bull .
This +10000
Only if you assume that the Bowen/Oberto/Thomas contracts wouldn't have been used to acquire a different player.
question about sign and trades: Can 2 players sign new contracts then be traded for each other? for example: RJ signs then is traded for John Salmons who signs a new contract?
Has Anderson played the three in college? Hairston needs a jumper regardless of his position.
My point is that they're not fit to play the three in one manner or another. Certainly not for a team that is serious about making a deep playoff run.
Times change, bubba. Hey, if you want to go at the Lakers with 6'6" rookies and D-leaguers . . . Well, good luck with that.
This is a great post that i didn't see anyone else give props too.
I agree completely...losing RJ isn't the end of the world, but the spurs could have added a 3-point shooter who spread the floor without losing RJ. The spurs could have made a lot of moves and improved while allowing RJ to come off th bench. Now, you possibly lose the guy and get nothing in return.
Then you get a bunch of guys in here saying "dont freak out, we got Hairston, gee and Anderson and the LLE." cool.
If RJ continued playing like ass, you keep him on the bench...then you play Anderson, hairston, or whoever you signed in the offseason. Now you don't even have the option of trying to work RJ into a team he was going into his second year with.
The Spurs are better with RJ than they are without RJ while receiving nothing in return. Pretty simple stuff. JJ red isn't signing for the LLE.
As long as the numbers are close enough to work under the CBA, yes.
A sign-and-trade is the only thing that makes sense. After the season RJ had, I just can't see the Spurs rewarding him with a long-term contract...even if it is for significantly less per year.
I can't believe everyone that is happy with RJ opting out, do you not realise how big of a trade chip we just lost? This is the WORST thing that could happen. People are saying its good because we can do a sign and trade. A sign and trade?! So, what? We sign RJ for 5 years $40m and someone is going to want that?? His trade value is at it's LOWEST EVER. Before he opted out the only thing he had going for him was he was able to save teams a lot of money. Now we are at the cap and can't sign anyone except Tiago for the MLE. Him opting out means we are very limited in what we can do this summer. We have 0 tradeable assets that we are willing to let go.
Anderson can shoot (and rebound for that matter) and Hairston can defend. RJ did neither.
Are they able to do this with his bird rights or something? I don't follow......do they have his bird rights?Confused as right about now.
That has to be one of the most idiotic comparisons I have come across.
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