RICHARD JEFFERSON opts OUT!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I said before . . . different times. The good teams are ALL longer and more athletic AND they've figured out how to stop the Spurs. Or, at least slow us down.



Then we are in agreement.

No were not. Miles is 6-6. Artest is 6-7, so are Pierce, Richardson, Marion and Wallace. Hill and Anthony go 6-8.

Pretty much the average 3 goes about 6-7 in the NBA.

Different times my ass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We got to the second round last year with a 6-7 3 and our 3 previous championships were with a 6-7 3.

Its about perimeter defense and the 3-ball not length.

When's the last time we won a le?

That's what I thought.

The game has changed a bit in the last couple of years. James Anderson will be a nice player off the bench when we need scoring, or a nice spacer in the starting five allowing Manu to come off the bench.

Pretending that he'll be able to come in and guard the long SFs that are all over the league is comical.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When's the last time we won a le?

That's what I thought.

The game has changed a bit in the last couple of years. James Anderson will be a nice player off the bench when we need scoring, or a nice spacer in the starting five allowing Manu to come off the bench.

Pretending that he'll be able to come in and guard the long SFs that are all over the league is comical.

Who are these huge 3s outside of Durant?

Artest? Pierce? Wallace? Richardson? Marion?

The teams in the conference finals say you are full of .

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Ron Artest is 6-7.

Splitter is the key to getting more length and we don't run the same system as the Lakers so who gives a .

Because we have to play defense on them too. This isn't rocket science.

[Whisky Dog]

I'm not too worried about the situation the Spurs find themselves in. If the Spurs value RJ and believe that he's a long-term fit, they'll have a good chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal. If RJ didn't fit in the locker room or if they believe he's a horrible fit, they have a good chance to S&T him. If RJ leaves and the Spurs have to replace him with a minimum-type player, at least that player will either be a better shooter or defender than RJ.

The main problem with RJ is his defense and shooting are weakspots ... and those are the two areas the Spurs need their small forward to stand out. If Splitter comes and TP regains his footing, the Spurs can cover the points they'll miss out with RJ leaving. In that sense, a role player who can either defend or shoot lights out isn't a bad option.

Now if the Spurs miss out on Splitter, I'll really start to worry. No Splitter and no RJ and the Spurs might as well start rebuilding.

This is what I was thinking when I saw this thread. The Spurs don't need a big point scorer at the 3, if anything we found out that having a scorer there won't work if that's all he is. They need defense and a corner or wing spot up shooter. Might not be able to find both of those things in a barrel scraping effort, but if you can only find a guy who does one well which is the most important?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because we have to play defense on them too. This isn't rocket science.

Against who? I keep on hearing this bull but outside of Durant at 6-9 and Hill who has no hops at 6-8 there are no huge long ass 3s. Hill hardly qualifies as being long anyway.

[Mel_13]

Got it, but I still don't see it. All you're doing is spreading out the pain and paying less tax on a player that may well not be worth the $8M/yr your throwing his way.

Rough numbers.

For many years, the Spurs spent right up to the lux tax level and did all they could to avoid the tax. That first dollar over the tax is the most expensive because you forgo the luxury tax distribution check that goes to teams that stay below the tax. This check is for several million dollars.

So with RJ at 15M and Splitter for the MLE the Spurs were going to be way over the tax threshold again this season. A reasonable guess is that they would be 10M over the tax line.

So how much does that add to payroll compared to spending right up to, but not over, the tax line?

10M in additional salary
10M in tax
5M in tax distribution lost

If RJ accepts a back loaded deal that allows the Spurs to sign him and Splitter while staying under the tax, the Spurs have reduced their payroll expenses for 2010-11 by 25M. A large chunk of that money is then paid out to RJ in years 2, 3, and perhaps year 4 of his new contract.

Both sides win by sharing money saved by avoiding the tax and by collecting the tax distribution.

[spectator]

This is what I was thinking when I saw this thread. The Spurs don't need a big point scorer at the 3, if anything we found out that having a scorer there won't work if that's all he is. They need defense and a corner or wing spot up shooter. Might not be able to find both of those things in a barrel scraping effort, but if you can only find a guy who does one well which is the most important?

true dat

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No were not. Miles is 6-6. Artest is 6-7, so are Pierce, Richardson, Marion and Wallace. Hill and Anthony go 6-8.

Pretty much the average 3 goes about 6-7 in the NBA.

Different times my ass.

You're right. James Anderson, all 6'6" of him, is a brilliant defensive matchup against a guy that's 6'10" like Lamar Odom. Let's see...

LeBron 6'8"
Rashard Lewis 6'10"
Artest 6'7" (still taller, and stronger)
Josh Smith 6'9"
Carmelo 6'8"
Caron Butler 6'7"
Kevin Durant 6'9"
Danny Granger 6'8"
Joe Johnson 6'7"
Paul Pierce 6'7"
Hedo Turkoglu 6'10"
Rudy Gay 6'8"
Buckets 6'8"
Boris Diaw 6'8"
Luol Deng 6'9"

Yep, bunch of short runts at the SF these days in the NBA.


And you want James Anderson at 6'6" to check all those guys, lol.

Or even better, former Austinite Malik Hairston

Wake the up.

[AFBlue]

Rough numbers.

For many years, the Spurs spent right up to the lux tax level and did all they could to avoid the tax. That first dollar over the tax is the most expensive because you forgo the luxury tax distribution check that goes to teams that stay below the tax. This check is for several million dollars.

So with RJ at 15M and Splitter for the MLE the Spurs were going to be way over the tax threshold again this season. A reasonable guess is that they would be 10M over the tax line.

So how much does that add to payroll compared to spending right up to, but not over, the tax line?

10M in additional salary
10M in tax
5M in tax distribution lost

If RJ accepts a back loaded deal that allows the Spurs to sign him and Splitter while staying under the tax, the Spurs have reduced their payroll expenses for 2010-11 by 25M. A large chunk of that money is then paid out to RJ in years 2, 3, and perhaps year 4 of his new contract.

Both sides win by sharing money saved by avoiding the tax and by collecting the tax distribution.

Tax is roughly how much over salary cap? Spurs would have to offer what to RJ in the first year(s) to avoid the tax?

BTW, I appreciate you breaking it down.

[Mel_13]

Tax is roughly how much over salary cap? Spurs would have to offer what to RJ in the first year(s) to avoid the tax?

BTW, I appreciate you breaking it down.

Tax level is about 12M above the salary cap.

With RJ off the books, they're roughly 16M below the tax. So 5.8M for the MLE and 1.4M for Anderson. That leaves about 9M to divide between RJ and some small filler contracts.

[AFBlue]

Tax level is about 12M above the salary cap.

With RJ off the books, they're roughly 16M below the tax. So 5.8M for the MLE and 1.4M for Anderson. That leaves about 9M to divide between RJ and some small filler contracts.

You're the woman!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're right. James Anderson, all 6'6" of him, is a brilliant defensive matchup against a guy that's 6'10" like Lamar Odom. Let's see...

LeBron 6'8"
Rashard Lewis 6'10"
Artest 6'7" (still taller, and stronger)
Josh Smith 6'9"
Carmelo 6'8"
Caron Butler 6'7"
Kevin Durant 6'9"
Danny Granger 6'8"
Joe Johnson 6'7"
Paul Pierce 6'7"
Hedo Turkoglu 6'10"
Rudy Gay 6'8"
Buckets 6'8"
Boris Diaw 6'8"
Luol Deng 6'9"

Yep, bunch of short runts at the SF these days in the NBA.


And you want James Anderson at 6'6" to check all those guys, lol.

Or even better, former Austinite Malik Hairston

Wake the up.

You can count out all the 6-7 because thats just stupid to say that an inch is all the difference in the world.

Lewis Smith and Diaw are PF.

So essentially we would have trouble defending the best 3s in the league like James, Granger, Durant and Anthony. Who would have every though?

The starting 3s on the CF teams were 6-7, 6-7, 6-7 and 6-8.

Youre full of .

[DPG21920]

I still don't get it entirely from rj's side. Say he gets the 3 year 24 mil deal. That is 9 m more guaranteed. You are telling me that if he kept that 15m this year he would not get a contract next season as a fa worth 9m for the life of the contract?

[Mel_13]

I still don't get it entirely from rj's side. Say he gets the 3 year 24 mil deal. That is 9 m more guaranteed. You are telling me that if he kept that 15m this year he would not get a contract next season as a fa worth 9m for the life of the contract?

Let's wait and see. 4yrs/32M would certainly be attractive to him and would still be useful for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

If he signs any thing less than or equal to 3/24 he made a poor financial decision. That would be masterful by the spurs. Although I hate the thought of 3 more years of rj.

[DaBears]

Can you say YEAH...... This might be the first time in my Life as a die hard SPURS fan that i have been excited about a caliber star like JR wanting to leave SA..

This helps SA in so many ways, no more LUXURY TAX, and if i am not mistaken we can sign someone else now.. JR was making 15 mil , he passed on that so Spurs have like 10-12 mil to give and not be over the tax..

Confirmed on ESPN @12:16....NBA FASTBREAK

[MaNu4Tres]

Let's wait and see. 4yrs/32M would certainly be attractive to him and would still be useful for the Spurs.

This is a more realistic offer than 3 yr/24 million. IMO

[E-RockWill]

Tax level is about 12M above the salary cap.

With RJ off the books, they're roughly 16M below the tax. So 5.8M for the MLE and 1.4M for Anderson. That leaves about 9M to divide between RJ and some small filler contracts.

This.

I say we throw that $9 mill to someone else, but I totally get the logic.

[Chieflion]

This is a more realistic offer than 3 yr/24 million. IMO

I think I posted that 4 years, 32 million somewhere earlier in this thread before.

Mel_13, you Spursreport member, you.

[chazley]

RJ's new deal will probably be one of these

2yr/22mil
3yr/30mil
4yr/36mil

and the deal will more than likely be backloaded big time. Rj and his agent are not stupid, and if he signs for anything less than those numbers he made a terrible decision to opt out.

[Mel_13]

I think I posted that 4 years, 32 million somewhere earlier in this thread before.

Mel_13, you Spursreport member, you.

[Bruno]

What a big surprise.

It could be a bad or good news for Spurs. If RJ just sign with another team, it will sucks for Spurs. If RJ, is S&T for something interesting or re-sign for a reasonable contract, it will be great.

RJ choice put a lot of uncertainties on what Spurs will do this summer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You can count out all the 6-7 because thats just stupid to say that an inch is all the difference in the world.

Lewis Smith and Diaw are PF.

So essentially we would have trouble defending the best 3s in the league like James, Granger, Durant and Anthony. Who would have every though?

The starting 3s on the CF teams were 6-7, 6-7, 6-7 and 6-8.

Youre full of .

Every one of those 6'7" guys is bigger and stronger than James Anderson. You're a ing idiot if you think Anderson could guard any of those guys on the low block.

You're also a re for not comprehending that the game has changed since the Spurs last won a le. Lewis, Smith, and Diaw all run at the SF. You're wrong there. All drop to the 4 when their teams go "small", I'll give you that, but then we still don't have someone that can match up with them at that spot either.

Go beat off to your 6'5" small forward idea and call it a night.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Let's wait and see. 4yrs/32M would certainly be attractive to him and would still be useful for the Spurs.

Those are the numbers that I came up with for RJ's contract. I think both side win with this type of contract. Especially if Spurs get team option on fourth year.