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    This ing sucks. Jefferson's a talented player and all, but it's crystal clear he doesn't work on this team, and the Spurs needed to cut their losses. The Spurs not being able to flip this guy into someone who can stay in front of his man and maybe hit an open jumper is devastating news. James Anderson better really be something special.
    Theres no one available for trade of what you speak of.

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    Uh alot of people didn't have that info.

    Ask Pat Riley about Lamar Odom...

    Again hot shot, waiting for that evidence of the US team's positive steroid tests.
    What tests?

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    Well, it will hurt Spurs for 3 or 4 years. That's a long time to me.
    Uh its balls out or nothing.

    Who gives a crap in 2 or 3 years, itll be lottery time.

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    So your saying you made it up, and there was no evidence the 2008 US olympic team was doping.

    Got it, thanks.
    No you sain it.

    So you got your own answer.

    Probably you are satisfied with that. Let it be that way

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    You stated the US basketball team was doing steroids and there was lots of evidence of it, I'm still waiting for that evidence.

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    You stated the US basketball team was doing steroids and there was lots of evidence of it, I'm still waiting for that evidence.
    So you didn't answer it yourself yet?

    I was not talking about tests back then Tpark boy

    Not as evidence


    Times go by and Tpark still as pathetic as he was. Go figure.

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    Theres no one available for trade of what you speak of.
    The Spurs would have had plenty of time for teams to start getting desperate to slash salary. Worst case scenario is you're stuck with atthe trade deadline. Nice to see the franchise said to with it, we'll just jump to the worst case.

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    Uh its balls out or nothing.

    Who gives a crap in 2 or 3 years, itll be lottery time.
    So Spurs will be a legit le contender next year because of RJ?

    Signing RJ to a big long term contract won't really help Spurs in the short term and will hurt them in the long term when they won't be able to quickly rebuild the team because or his contract.

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    So Spurs will be a legit le contender next year because of RJ?

    Signing RJ to a big long term contract won't really help Spurs in the short term and will hurt them in the long term when they won't be able to quickly rebuild the team because or his contract.

    RJ >>> letting him go and relying on D Leaguers yes.

    Let RJ get a clear head this summer, let Pop keep working with him, and we shall see what happens..

    He seems to have become a Pop favorite.

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    First Jefferson back, now Bonner... I just can't wait for Pop to bring Finley back next.

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    First Jefferson back, now Bonner... I just can't wait for Pop to bring Finley back next.
    No doubt Mason should come back too.

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    I like RJ on a three-year contract rather than four years. With a three-year deal, at least it'll end when Manu's contract ends. Theoretically, that could open up another window to bring in talent.

    But I agree with Bruno that a good sign-and-trade is the best option. RJ for a trade exception would be fantastic. RJ for a better fitting SF would obviously be a plus.

    I'm hoping the Spurs haven't promised RJ anything. If he walks, he walks. It won't be a great outcome but the poor fit on the Spurs makes him an average NBA player at best.

    If I'm the Spurs, my gameplan with RJ would be to:

    1) See if any team with cap space gets desperate and wants RJ in a sign-and-trade.
    2) See if any team is willing to trade RJ for a SF that can shoot and/or defend.
    3) See if there are any better-fitting SFs out there that are willing to sign for the LLE.
    4) See if RJ will take a three-year deal.
    5) Double check to see if there isn't a comparable SF willing to sign for the available money.
    6) Wait for the summer league to make sure Hairston, Gee and Anderson aren't ready for big minutes in the NBA.
    7) Begrudgingly offer RJ a four-year contract with the stipulation that he shoots 1,000 three-pointers a day and loses 20 pounds.

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    Why do you wish this team to fail so much.
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    Lol at people wanting this guy. He had a bad year last year, and he's getting older, the Spurs need to get young, not sign bad 30 year old player contracts to multiyear deals.

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    when is duncan retiring, and rj back on this team wold be stupid

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    I like RJ on a three-year contract rather than four years. With a three-year deal, at least it'll end when Manu's contract ends. Theoretically, that could open up another window to bring in talent.

    But I agree with Bruno that a good sign-and-trade is the best option. RJ for a trade exception would be fantastic. RJ for a better fitting SF would obviously be a plus.

    I'm hoping the Spurs haven't promised RJ anything. If he walks, he walks. It won't be a great outcome but the poor fit on the Spurs makes him an average NBA player at best.

    If I'm the Spurs, my gameplan with RJ would be to:

    1) See if any team with cap space gets desperate and wants RJ in a sign-and-trade.
    2) See if any team is willing to trade RJ for a SF that can shoot and/or defend.
    3) See if there are any better-fitting SFs out there that are willing to sign for the LLE.
    4) See if RJ will take a three-year deal.
    5) Double check to see if there isn't a comparable SF willing to sign for the available money.
    6) Wait for the summer league to make sure Hairston, Gee and Anderson aren't ready for big minutes in the NBA.
    7) Begrudgingly offer RJ a four-year contract with the stipulation that he shoots 1,000 three-pointers a day and loses 20 pounds.
    I'm in shock that Popovich would ensure (1)-(3) are this team's only good options.

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    Yeah like I said I wasn't given numbers, purely my guess, and was told the contract was quote "nicer"
    "Nicer" for the Spurs or for RJ??? BIG difference

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    Under the luxury tax, which makes giving the FULL MLE to Splitter more palatable to Holt, and able to build depth with the LLE.

    Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.
    At least give a hint! Initials or a letter lol

    I'm guessing the "surprise" is that its not a swingman/SF??? You can at least say if i'm right on that, it doesn't really narrow it down much!

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    WHy did i and Timvp come up with the same conclusion?

    This isn't right.

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    MF probably.

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    I wonder if.committing a lot of money to Jefferson seals the deal that Parker won't be a Spur in '11-'12.

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    Even if teams with cap space didn't go with RJ, Spurs will have a hard time to lock him to a good contract. A full MLE contract is $35M/5 years and I can see some teams throwing that money to him.

    It could take at least a $32M/ 4 years contract to keep him and I think it's too much money for a 30 years old RJ.

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    A way to fix the hole created at SF could be to use Spurs non-guaranteed contracts.

    Jerrells+Temple+Hairston+Gee is basically a $4M trade exception. With RJ opting out, Spurs will be far from the luxury threshold and could use these players to get a SF.

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    On the Spurs, RJ isn't worth even MLE money. On other teams, he would be. But not on our team. If last year proved anything, it proved that.

    So if we really sign him, we'll absolutely be overpaying him. If we sign him for more than 7M a year, I'll never understand it.

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    The guy sucked so let's lock him in for the long-term!

    Reducing his salary from $15M to $8M this season does nothing to create room or money to sign anyone this off-season. It does, however, take anyway the only good thing about RJ heading into this off-season-- his EXPIRING contract.

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    Please someone explain something to me, as I'm not aware of all the exact details.

    RJ opts out = Spurs are screwed and we cannot sign a replacement since the drop off in salaries is not significant enough to give us more than the MLE. Here's the question: BUT, the Spurs can re-sign him? How is that possible? I just don't get it..
    Everyone's been saying forever if he opts out it sucks cuz we won't have any added money to replace him with, but just how is it then possible to resign him or sign and trade him??? Please someone explain this to me.

    As far I had understood, we're still left with the MLE whether he had opted out or not.

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