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  1. #1026
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    at 3-4 more years of rj

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    I think 4 years 32 million will be the best offer the Spurs can get Jefferson to agree to.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs had to increase their offer to 4/36 or even 5yr/40-45 with the last year being only partially guaranteed or a team option.

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    i can't believe no one is considering that extending Jefferson pretty much guarantees no $ for resigning Parker in the off-season. and at the very least binds us to an aged roster for the next 4 years. you guys are morons.
    Man, take a Valium. It's just basketball.

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    I think 4 years 32 million will be the best offer the Spurs can get Jefferson to agree to.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs had to increase their offer to 4/36 or even 5yr/40-45 with the last year being only partially guaranteed or a team option.
    1. Bird rights with parker as well, So they can offer whatever they are willing to pay into the luxury tax.

    2. They can seriously back load the contract with Duncans 21 mill coming off the books the next year.

    3. It is somewhat reasonably assumed with the new CBA that the salary cap and luxury taxes overall won't be dropping much to say 50 mill even or so but the max contract amounts will be dropping to around 14 mill without likely having the over all % of max cap built as high the years after the first are also most likely to be more restricted.

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    I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...-antonio-spurs

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    Wait a second, can't we sign him to more than 15 mil this year, and trade him for someone else worth that much?

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    i can't believe no one is considering that extending Jefferson pretty much guarantees no $ for resigning Parker in the off-season. and at the very least binds us to an aged roster for the next 4 years. you guys are morons.
    1. Bird rights with parker as well, So they can offer whatever they are willing to pay into the luxury tax.

    2. They can seriously back load the contract with Duncans 21 mill coming off the books the next year.

    3. It is somewhat reasonably assumed with the new CBA that the salary cap and luxury taxes overall won't be dropping much to say 50 mill even or so but the max contract amounts will be dropping to around 14 mill without likely having the over all % of max cap built as high the years after the first are also most likely to be more restricted.
    Man, take a Valium. It's just basketball.

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    no one considers signing RJ long term pretty much guarantees NO Tony Parker extension. who would you rather have?
    How does RJ's situation have anything at all to do with Parker?

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    Gimme some ing Travis Outlaw please!!!

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    I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...-antonio-spurs
    Not so much.

    First he talks smack about salary cap IQ:
    This ranks as good news only in the eyes of delusional folks who do not understand the salary cap and how it handicaps the Spurs this summer.
    Then he exposes his own ignorance:
    If he leaves, the Spurs will have about $7 million total to sign Anderson, Splitter and find another small forward. They would have the same amount had he opted in for the final year of his deal.

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    Richard Jefferson's response/mindset to opting out:

    Coming off such a disappointing season, Jefferson likely won't be able to earn all of the money he left on the table back in a single season, but as he told FanHouse's Chris Tomasson in April, he hopes a temporary pay cut will result in long-term security. "I probably wouldn't make 15 [million dollars] some place, but you could somehow recoup some of that over a multi-year deal and get some guaranteed money for the next few years," he said. "So you figure it out. If you're able to get four years and 40 [million dollars by opting out] from someone, it's like, 'OK, I did lose out on 15 [million dollars]. But I'm going to get basically a $25 million extension.' Those are things that you think of at the end of the season.'' FanHouse.com

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    How does RJ's situation have anything at all to do with Parker?
    even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.

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    I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...-antonio-spurs
    RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.

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    Spurs seem to be in a ty position with RJ. Opting out leaves them with a gaping hole at SF and re-signing him to a longer deal makes no sense considering how much of an awful fit he was for the team. The only value he had(to me anyway) was as an expiring contract.

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    Not so much.

    First he talks smack about salary cap IQ:


    Then he exposes his own ignorance:
    How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.

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    How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.
    True, but the Spurs do not have to use part of the 7M from MLE and LLE to sign Anderson and can't offer anyone a salary starting at 7M as it's composed of 2 separate exceptions.

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    RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.
    Huh? Not sure where you're going there, bubba.

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    True, but the Spurs do not have to use part of the 7M from MLE and LLE to sign Anderson.
    Right. Details, details.

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    even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.
    Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.

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    RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.
    I agree.

    I am not seeing how this is so difficult to comprehend.

    Would you rather sign Richard Jefferson for one year at $30 million....

    Or sign him for 4 years at say... 32 million?

    There is a lot we don't know regarding conversations Spurs probably had with RJ, but like others have said, I doubt he opted out without talking with the Spurs first about future possibilities.

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    Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.
    Good point... I was thinking this as well. Although, just from a player perspective, Tony didn't sound to enthused about coming back. I am sure money would change things but maybe he isn't confident in the Spurs being contenders once Timmy retires. Hopefully, Tiago will perform at a level that helps anyone's concern for the future.

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    Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.
    Tim leaving in 2 years is a different story but from every account it sounds like he wants to keep playing (hints in the media). you have to consider the potential contracts of Hill and Blair.

    say all those 3 (Tim, Hill, Blair) are here in 2 yrs. would you want an old RJ still here or the potential to sign a FA that summer? i'll test the market with RJ gone.

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    this roster in 2 years is NOT a great one. we have to start getting rid of the fat and Richard Jefferson proved he's full of it last season.

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    even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.
    I see your point, but I think the FO understands the current players like Hill and Blair and what money will potentially be there when they get to that point. Who knows how long a RJ contract would be for and it's a possibility it might be partially guaranteed or be a nice trading chip for the future. Besides that, we have to wait and see what Hill and Blair become before worrying about a significant salary increase for them.

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    Tim leaving in 2 years is a different story but from every account it sounds like he wants to keep playing (hints in the media). you have to consider the potential contracts of Hill and Blair.

    say all those 3 (Tim, Hill, Blair) are here in 2 yrs. would you want an old RJ still here or the potential to sign a FA that summer? i'll test the market with RJ gone.
    I've actually heard nothing at all about Tim hinting to coming back after his contract is up. Would you mind sharing a link or where you saw this?

    Anyways, if we are going to be as close to the Luxury Tax threshold as you propose we will be limited again by our exceptions to sign FAs - so testing the market with RJ gone might not be as lucrative as you think.

    As for Hill and Blair, I'm sure the FO is in no hurry whatsoever to worry about extending them - at least not until 2012-2013. By that time, I'm sure our team will look FAR different than it does now - including seeing a new HC - so I'm not concerned with looking that far down the road just yet.

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