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How in do you take my stated opinion as the facts?
God, you are so damn stupid. I never said it was fact!
It doesn't make it true..
How in do you take my stated opinion as the facts?
God, you are so damn stupid. I never said it was fact!
No. Liability is already a factor, and we shouldn't worry about potential greater liability when the results should create less liability.
Less damage = less liability.
lmao
Chump can't just admit Obama is worthless in this area. Instead he does a popquiz to prove WC can't answer how many blue-beaked pelicans in the southern region of cajun bayou have suffered from the oil spill due to the absence of foreign aid.
So let's tally the score, Obama ,nor anyone else in the world, can stop the leak. Strike one. Obama leaves it up to BP to verify the leak parameters. BP was wrong BP has tried and and failed on trying to stop the leak. Strike two. There are over 25,000 people working through BP alone cleaning up the beaches. There are close to 6 thousand vessels currently in the Gulf cleaning and containing ther slick. Strike three.
yet it's obama who's worthless
and you sissies are still complaing about 13 Dutch ships...
Again, I wonder where all of this 'attentiveness' was when we went to war on' dubious' information...
yet the same people who have had their head in the sand about the war are now calling Obama worthless...
In his defense, his schedule was jam-packed
http://knowledgecreatespower.blogspo...f-parties.html
Day 1 - April 20
Explosion in Gulf
Obama returns from L.A. - fundraising for Barb Boxer
DAY 2 - April 21
Obama attends reception for G-20 Labor Ministers
DAY 3 - April 22
Obama hosts Rose Garden reception to honor Earth Day
Obama flies to NYC to push Wall St bill
DAY 4 - April 23
Hey, let’s go on vacation to Asheville, North Carolina!
Lunch at Twelve Bones for ribs and mac & cheese
No worries! How about a mountain hike?
Obama squeezes in a round of golf!
DAY 5 - April 24
Let’s go golfing again - at Grove Park Inn GC
A nice gourmet dinner at the Biltmore!
DAY 6 - April 25
A scrumptious brunch at Grove Park Resort
DAY 7 - April 26
Obama hosts NY Yankees for White House event
DAY 8 - April 27
Obama visits Iowa for rhubarb pie at Jerry’s Diner
DAY 9 - April 28
Obama flies to Missouri for lunch at Peggy Sue’s Diner
DAY 10 - April 29
Obama attends DNC fundraiser at swank DC residence
DAY 11 - April 30
Obama flies to MD to view Secret Service binoculars
DAY 12 - May 1
Obama joins Leno for comedy routine at WHCD
DAY 13 - May 2
Obama finally visits Lousiana
DAY 14 - May 3
Obama hosts the Navy football team
DAY 15 - May 4
Obama private lunch with Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel
DAY 16 - May 5
Obama hosts Cinco De Mayo party at White House
DAY 17 - May 6
Just chillin’. Summers gives updates on economy
DAY 18 - May 7
Wizbangs give Rose Garden speech on ‘economy’
DAY 19 - May 8
Obama hits links at Ft Belvoir
Dining out at ritzy DC restaurant - Komi!
DAY 20 - May 9
Obama gives commencement speech at Hampton U.
DAY 21 - May 10
Hey, during a crisis, let’s pick a SCJ!
DAY 22 - May 11
Private (golf?) lunch with Joe Biden
DAY 23 - May 12
Obama hosts private reception for President Karzai
DAY 24 - May 13
Obama flies to Buffalo for Duff’s hot wings
DAY 25 - May 14
Obama finally makes speech on oil spill in Rose Garden
DAY 26 - May 15
Enough of the oil spill stuff- Obama off to golf!
DAY 27 - May 16
Obama golfs (again!) at Fort Belvoir
DAY 28 - May 17
Obama hosts UConn women’s basketball
DAY 29 - May 18
Obama tours plant in ‘Ohio’ (um, oil spill’s in LA!)
DAY 30 - May 19
Obama hosts glitzy state dinner for Calderon
Dancing the night away!
DAY 31 - May 20
Obama meets with Bono for some reason
DAY 32 - May 21
Obama Rose Garden speech on- Wall St reform
DAY 33 - May 22
Obama goes golfing again at Andrews Air Force base
DAY 34 - May 23
Obama discusses basketball with Marv Albert
DAY 35 - May 24
Obama hosts Asian American celebration
DAY 36 - May 25
Obama flies to San Fran to party with Getty Oil family
-And raise millions for Barbara Boxer
DAY 37 - May 26
Obama spends day 2 in CA - with fellow economic wiz
DAY 38 - May 27
Obama welcomes the Duke Blue Devils
Obama, Clinton hang with the U.S. World Cup team
Obama hosts party for Jewish Americans
Obama family heads off for a weekend vacation
DAY 39 - MAY 28
Obamas back in Chicago for weekend vacation
-Obama interrupts vaca for some PR
DAY 40 - MAY 29
Obama leaving U Chicago after some basketball-
-The Obamas heading out for an evening of barbecue
DAY 41 - MAY 30
After a night of barbecue and beers, let’s hit the gym!
DAY 44 - JUNE 02 - McCartney at WH Bash.. Bashes Bush..
yet another darrins post that contains zero analytical attributes..I guess it's much easier for him to not think... I guess we can be greatful you didn't post a naked youtube video..
I realize this doesn't fit the narrative your trying to portray, but we've been getting international assistance for quite a while now.
Also, there may be issues as to what type of assistance is being offered and whether it is needed or is merely duplicative of what we already have available -
Darrins didn't realize that there were over 5,900 vessels operating now in the gulf.. I wonder why the sources he uses to bash obama don't mention that. An oversight I'm sure..
Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.
LOL....
George...
Is you butt still so sore you have to attack me for anything?
Didn't know you cared, but I'm not interested.
"Totally not true," said Mark Ruge, counsel to the Maritime Cabotage Task Force, a coalition of U.S. shipbuilders, operators and labor unions. "It is simply an urban myth that the Jones Act is the problem."
In a news briefing last week, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said he'd received "no requests for Jones Act waivers" from foreign vessels or countries. "If the vessels are operating outside state waters, which is three miles and beyond, they don't require a waiver," he said.
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FactCheck.org, a nonprofit website operated by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, analyzed claims that failure to waive the Jones Act is blocking foreign-flagged vessels from assisting in the Gulf. It concluded last week that "In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts."
The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a news release June 15 that 15 foreign-flagged ships were participating in the oil spill cleanup, FactCheck.org said. "None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply," it said.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0701/gop...ht-urban-myth/
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The country is in corporate-caused economic and environmental catastrophe, and what are the Repugs doing about it? Playing dirty, slanderous, rabble-rousing, destructive, obstructive, polarizing get-that- -out-of-the-White-House all-politics-all-the-time.
The Repugs are defending the persecuted, defenseless corporations while defunding the lazy, parasitic long-term unemployed.
The Repugs are as detached, remoted, aloof from "Real Americans" as their owners on Wall St are detached from Main St.
I think it's funny that you buy into all right wing propoganda..Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.
Anyone actually read this do ent?
http://www.state.gov/do ents/organization/143488.pdf
Yes, what's your point? Seems pretty clear. Offers of assistance, with the important ones "under consideration," possibly meaning "dammit, we already said NO, but cannot admit to that."
Is that your point?
Louisiana Governor Seals Oil-Spill Records
By JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF
For more than two months, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has made it clear that he considers the response of the federal government and BP to the gulf oil leak a failure on many fronts.
But elected officials in Louisiana and members of the public seeking details on how Mr. Jindal and his administration fared in their own response to the disaster are out of luck: late last week the governor vetoed an amendment to a state bill that would have made public all records from his office related to the oil spill.
The measure was proposed by Senator Robert Adley, a Republican, and easily passed the Democrat-controlled Legislature. He told the Associated Press that the veto was a “black eye” on the state. “This governor has opposed transparency for the three years he’s been in office,” he said.
In his veto letter, the governor asserted that opening the records could give BP and other companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon blowout an advantage in future litigation over damages to the state.
“Such access could impair the state’s legal position both in responding to the disaster that is unfolding and in seeking remedies for economic injury and natural resource damage,” Mr. Jindal wrote.
But Zygmunt Plater, a law professor at Boston College who served as chairman of an Alaskan legal task force after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, called the governor’s legal rationale flawed, particularly in regard to tallying environmental damage.
“It’s extremely difficult for me to see why natural resource claims would be at all compromised,” he said. “The natural resource damages part of that makes no sense to me.”
Mr. Plater said that the governor’s broader argument, that opening the records could give BP a legal advantage during future litigation, was also illogical. Any do ents relevant to such litigation would have to be disclosed during the discovery process, he said.
“In the long-term, anything that’s relevant to a legal action by the state is going to be discoverable. It’s going to be revealed in open court,” he said.
Louisiana has an open records law, but it does not apply to records in the custody of the governor’s office.
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...pagemode=print
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This secrecy action comes after another article, tha I'm looking for now, said macaca's/LA's plans for and what it was actually doing and saying were VERY different
stay tuned ...
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Louisiana Wants U.S. Help, and Its Own Way
By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON and JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF
NEW ORLEANS — For weeks, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has attacked BP and the Coast Guard for not having adequate plans and resources to battle the oil spill.
But interviews with more than two dozen state and federal officials and experts suggest that Louisiana, from the earliest days of the spill in the Gulf of Mexico, has often disregarded its own plans and experts in favor of large-scale proposals that many say would probably have had limited effectiveness and could have even hampered the response.
The state’s approach has also at times appeared divided: while some state officials work alongside the Coast Guard and BP every day, others, including the governor, have championed a go-it-alone approach.
Such a stance is popular in a place justifiably skeptical of federal disaster response after Hurricane Katrina. The federal response, at times slow and disorganized, has been a matter of grave concern to this state, with its fragile and complicated coastline.
Mr. Jindal, a Republican like all but one of the other gulf state governors, has been alone among them for his publicly critical stance toward the federal agencies in the response.
But experts said such antagonism could actually slow down that response.
“You can ask for the moon and say you didn’t get it, but I don’t think that’s going to add anything to the response capabilities,” said Doug Lentsch, who was chief of the Coast Guard’s Pollution Response Branch in Washington, D. C., during the Exxon Valdez disaster and helped develop the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. “When that stuff happens, you actually take away the ability of the unified command to get their job done.”
Melissa Sellers, the governor’s communications director, said in a statement that the state was forced to be proactive and act on its own because of the slow response and a lack of information from BP and the federal authorities.
“The bottom line is that this is an emergency situation,” Ms. Sellers said. “It demands quick action and quick thinking, and especially common sense. We continue to ask the federal government and BP to join us in this fight and battle this oil spill with the sense of urgency that the protection of our state demands.”
But a review of Louisiana’s prespill preparation suggests that the state may be open to the same criticisms that Mr. Jindal has leveled at BP and federal authorities.
The state has an oil spill coordinator’s office. Its staff shrank by half over the last decade, and the 17-year-old oil spill research and development program that is associated with the office had its annual $750,000 in financing cut last year. The coordinator is responsible for drawing up and signing off on spill contingency plans with the Coast Guard and a committee of federal, state and local officials.
Some of these plans are rife with omissions, including pages of blank charts that are supposed to detail available supplies of equipment like oil-skimming vessels. A draft action plan for a worst case is among many requirements in the southeast Louisiana proposal listed as “to be developed.”
State officials said that many of those gaps had been addressed but that the information had not yet been formally incorporated into the plan by the Coast Guard.
The plans, in conjunction with state and federal laws, do outline a response structure, called a unified command. In the event of a spill, state officials, the responsible party and the federal authorities, usually the Coast Guard, are supposed to work together to marshal resources and create day-to-day action plans.
From the first days of the spill, state representatives at a command center in Houma, La., have been following that script, signing off on the action plans with the Coast Guard and BP.
But on the first weekend in May, after the governor declared a state of emergency and weeks before heavy oil began to hit the coast, senior members of the Jindal administration decided the unified command was not working.
“We very quickly ran into challenges with the different en ies carrying out their responsibilities under that framework,” said Garret Graves, the director of the governor’s office of coastal activities, citing a lack of urgency and decisiveness by the Coast Guard. “That’s where I think the inefficiencies were realized, and that’s why the state began taking an alternative path.”
“I don’t think the Coast Guard or BP had a familiarity with disaster posture,” Mr. Graves added.
On May 3, Mr. Jindal went public with his dissatisfaction.
“We kept being assured over and over that they had a plan, that there was a detailed plan, that it was coming; we never got that plan,” he said.
But under the law, oil spill experts said, there are only two kinds of government plans pertaining to spills, and the state is partly responsible for both.
There are area contingency plans, which the state helps draw up and are meant to be in place when a spill occurs; and there are action plans, which the state helps put together on a day-to-day basis after a spill.
It is just as much the state’s responsibility as anyone’s if a spill occurs and there is no up-to-date contingency plan, said Donald S. Jensen, a retired Coast Guard captain who coordinated the response to several major oil spills.
"After a spill happens is not the time to make a plan," he added.
Nevertheless, state and parish officials drew up their own response plan, a process that usually takes months, over that weekend.
The amount of hard boom the state requested, roughly 950 miles or about one and a half times the national stockpile, was more than three times what the southeast Louisiana area contingency plan said would be required to boom the state’s entire coastline.
“I think it’s proven to be not real reasonable,” said Todd Paxton, general manager of Cook Inlet Spill Prevention and Response Inc., an Alaska company. “For one, it’s just a huge amount of boom.”
A call to put out large amounts of that boom immediately, experts said, was also problematic, as boom can quickly be rendered useless by waves and tides if deployed too early.
Still, the unified command put much of the state and parish plan into effect over the next few weeks, while also continuing to draw up its day-to-day action plans.
A little over a week later, Mr. Jindal began to push a sand berm strategy.
Working off an idea put forward by a pair of Dutch marine research and engineering firms, the plan called for the construction of 140 miles of sand barriers, in 24 segments, to protect the inner coastline from oil. Such an idea is also discussed, though not in great detail, in one of the state’s area contingency plans.
Just before midnight on May 11, the state requested an emergency permit for the project from the Army Corps of Engineers. At just three pages, it was intentionally vague, Mr. Graves said, on the understanding that it was likely to need modifications.
Within days the governor began to decry the slow wheels of government.
“While we’re continuing to push the Corps to give us this permit and the Coast Guard and BP to approve this, we’re not letting the bureaucracy stop us,” Mr. Jindal said on May 14.
By that time, federal agencies had already raised serious concerns about the sand berm project, which, by one estimate, could cost nearly $1 billion.
The project would take months — at least three for the first berm to be built and six or more for the whole project to be finished — causing some experts and federal officials to wonder whether it would do any good. Others questioned whether it could make the problem worse: as the berms were being constructed, an analysis from the Environmental Protection Agency read, “the flow of water through unbermed portions could accelerate, potentially creating a funneling effect for the oil.”
A panel of local coastal scientists was put together by the state to direct the handling of the project. But even some members of that panel have expressed deep skepticism about the plan, though none wanted to be quoted on the matter.
While a series of revisions was being made by state and federal agencies, Mr. Jindal kept up the political pressure, saying on June 2 that 10 miles of berms could have already been constructed if the federal government had immediately granted the permit.
The next day, Adm. Thad W. Allen of the Coast Guard, the national incident commander for the spill, approved the building and financing, at BP’s expense, of six of the berms at a cost of $360 million, saying he was satisfied that they “will effectively stem potential damage” to the shoreline.
But the public disagreements have not stopped. This week federal authorities halted the dredging of sand for the berms in a certain part of the Chandeleur Islands, saying it violated the state’s permit and could jeopardize the islands themselves.
Mr. Jindal replied by urging the federal government to “get out of the way” of a necessary defense strategy.
The state engineering firm has nevertheless suspended dredging for several days while it moves the equipment to comply with the permit.
The first barrier will be completed “no sooner than August,” said Gentry Brann, a spokeswoman for the Shaw Group, the engineering firm.
“It is a large construction process,” she said. “And it doesn’t happen overnight.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us...gewanted=print
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Well, Mr. Macaca-who-hates-govt, sounds like your own govt, which you head, is "the problem", just like your St Ronnie, said, it's not "the solution".
LA made a pact with the devil oil-gas-chemical industry for $10 of $Bs/year to an impoverished state, and now they're stuck with the not-unforeseen side effects. And of course, it's all the Feds' fault, as always with Repugs, who are never accountable, never responsible.
If you can't quantify it and just want to make up, just say so.
lmao
Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.
70 days later.
and you still can't tell us how to fix the leak....
Do you have Mr. Peabody on ignore or something?
Yes, that's when people like you lied about foreign help in the Gulf.
Liar.
are you re ed?
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