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No, it has to be used in a trade. However, if you work things out, the former team may to a S&T of the player. It sounds like you're just signing him, but you really do need the consent of the losing team.
The Knicks actually seem like a pretty logical fit the more you think about:
- D'antoni's popping Pringles on the sideline
- New York will very likely miss out on the top-tier
The Knicks could get a talented player that fits their system -- at a decent rate -- and they'd still have room to add another solid free-agent or just keep the cap room for flexibility.
No, it has to be used in a trade. However, if you work things out, the former team may to a S&T of the player. It sounds like you're just signing him, but you really do need the consent of the losing team.
Exactly. We want other teams to not want RJ, so the Spurs wouldn't have to pay him as much. Or we want one team with cap space to really want RJ, so we can get a trade exception. The disaster would be to re-sign RJ to a 4/40 type deal.
Dude, this was resolved hours ago. Thanks anyway.
Yahoo is all over the map with their RJ reporting. I'm almost ready to believe McDonald.
Almost.
why would last year be the worst from Jefferson?
He wouldn't be the first Spur to either stay the same or get worse in year 2. Roger Mason was much worse in year 2. Kurt Thomas wasn't any better in year 2. Rasho was so bad in year two the Spurs traded for Nazr to take his job. Nazr then went on to lose all his minutes to smallball and had a worse year 2.
Off the top of my head I'd say the bulk of guys who create the reputation for year 2 turnarounds are rookies or guys who were given so little time they were bound to improve, like Hill and Stephen Jackson.
Plus Jefferson is sliding out of his athletic prime on the wrong side of 30.
He was mediocre at best in the playoffs and got he Spurs under 10 points a game in 33 minutes to go with sub-par defense and what many would see as soft play.
He's not going to get the offense built around him like in Milwaukee. He's not going to get a ton of fast breaks like in New Jersey, especially as he loses steps. His role won't be changing to help his offense, and he has already epically failed at what was supposed to be the role of defensive stopper.
He had a revolting sub-par year . . . right before deciding to opt-out. If that's how he's going to play with that kind of effort in a contract year, what's going to happen when he gets paid with a guranteed multi-year deal?
In terms of fit, it was. Spurs need three point shooting and him being a 40% 3 point shooter in Milwaukee was one of the reasons why everyone ( including the Spurs) thought he would be a great fit.
But for whatever reason he lost all confidence in an important aspect as the season progressed.
It was non-existent, therefore he can't fit any worse than he did last year.
Highlight the rest of what was said in the post.
I agree with MaNu4Tres, I can't see the Knicks being interested. Not only are their two best players (at the moment) natural SF's, but even if they strike out on all the big names, D'Antoni clearly wants to add more shooting to the roster (in case that wasn't clear enough with them drafting Rautins 38th). Jefferson doesn't fit the bill. They'd probably overpay for Miller, Korver, etc., before they'd sign Jefferson.
I think that Jefferson is hoping that either the Nets or Knicks strike out big time in free agency or only land one high quality free agent and in a desperate attempt to save face, they go after him. I'd be very surprised if that happened, though. In the end, I think he ends up back with the Spurs.
I appreciate it.
I thought that both the 10% and 100k stuff only applied when both teams were over the cap; I didn't think TEs were subject to those rules (looks like TEs can be off up to 100k, but the 10% rule doesn't apply).
Yeah I cant really keep it straight. I look to Mel_13 or Bruno to clarify things usually. My love of economics and human psychology keep me coming back for more though.......
I look here:
Yeah I cant really keep it straight. I look to Mel_13 or Bruno to clarify things usually. My love of economics and human psychology keep me coming back for more though.......
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Depends on what you mean by stuck.......he IS a free agent after all.
So do I from time to time, you're a of a lot better at deciphering and digesting it than I am though.
Radiation and Nuclear Physics I get, this stuff is beyond me though. I'll leave it to the seasoned veterans of the board.
Thomas was a hair from 40 and Mason was hurt. They are not fair comparisons. We won a le in Rasho's second year.
Jefferson is 30 and he will be fine physically for a couple more years at least. He has had no major injuries.
see, that's where I see that it can be worse.
At no point was his 3-point shooting worse than in the playoffs. He shot 20%!
You write that he lost confidence 'for whatever reason'. The problem I have is that there's no cause to think that the 'whatever reason' won't happen all over again.
So yes, he could fit in worse than last year: he could still shoot terrible from 3 in the playoffs (the only time he shot better than 32.5% was when he was 25), he could still refuse to even step out past the three point line, he could still play soft, he could somehow play worse defense, and with declining athleticism the few plays he does make like the occasional dunks and blocks could shrink.
In a nuts , he could just turn into Roger Mason Jr...
Mason was hurt all 82 games?
We won a le Rasho's second year? So? What does that have to do with Rasho's play? They won a le in spite of Rasho. He played only 15 of the 23 playoff games and got less than 8 minutes a game when he did play.
Teams that still have enough cap space to offer RJ a contract larger than the MLE (assuming all reported trades and signings go through):
Miami
New York
New Jersey
Chicago
Washington
Clippers
Sacramento
I don't see a match. While crazy money is flowing all over the NBA, RJ and his agent may have badly misjudged the market for his services.
Spurs should be patient, keep a reasonable short-term deal on the table (3/24) and see if a market develops for RJ.
Get a clue
Not used to the whole blue font thing yet. My apologies.
He broke his shooting hand early and played through it. You recall the sling he wore pretty much the whole second half?
Nesterovic was also hurt in 2005.
I agree with objective's basic points.
I think the outpouring of love for RJ is bizarre. Perhaps it isn't love, but an insane number of words are being written in his defense. I agree that without him we are not a better team, but with him we aren't exactly contenders either. Everyone hated him all year. Now that he opted out on us everyone has fallen in love with signing him to a multiple year deal. And these are the same people who usually talk in defense of Holt's money as if it were their own. Personally, I don't care if Holt saves money or not - I care about the product on the court - but signing RJ to a 4 year deal makes even me wince.
Luckily, the Spurs are patient and typically cheap. When RJ slumps back with his head between his legs he'll take whatever scraps the Spurs give him. I think that's the best thing that can happen. If they feel they need to sign him, hopefully it's cheap to give us more spending options elsewhere, and its for a short contract so that he can opt out again and see who else is in love with him.
I don't believe he broke it. He tore a ligament.
I couldn't hear how much he was hurting over his whining to get more playing time (that he didn't earn while his hand was fine) and his request to be traded.
And his splint didn't prevent him from pretending he could play defense and earning his minutes on the court.
Mason simply stopped giving a about the team in his second season. He just wanted to showcase himself to land a nice contract in the offseason. What pisses me off the most is that he didn't even have the balls to come out and tell the media himself, instead choosing to send memos to his agent to do the talking.
It's not love.
No one here is whispering sweet nothings in R.J's ear.
The reality is he is the best guaranteed option the Spurs have.
That is where the love ends.
You may be convinced it's the best guaranteed option, but I'd say it's more of a coin flip.
I was not one to quickly bash RJ when he didn't come strong out of the gate and I certainly gave him his due when he started defending and rebounding with a purpose later in the season...but if RJ signs a contract for $8M/yr he'll easily remain the most overpaid Spurs player. And what's worse, he'll hold that le for the next 3 to 5 years.
The flipside is that the Spurs go this year with a less talented, less proven group and see what happens. Not great, but at this point I'd have to call it the lesser of two evils.
Just my opinion.
Why would anyone want this bum back? He obviously doesn't want to be on the team. As far as I'm concerned, his team chemistry busting at ude wouldn't be fair to the guys that actually want to be on the team. Get that knob slobber outta here.
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