All the Argie players said that the incidents happened 'cause the German players were taunting them (pointing out specially at Frings), including guys that I respect a lot like Cambiasso and Ayala. And seeing now that Frings got suspended and this "uncalled for" comments, I'm starting to think that it may be a little of truth behind it. Look how the Argie players go after a particular group of guys not all of the Germans, if they were angry just for the loss they wouldn't care about looking for a particular guy, they would just hit the first guy that crosses his path.Like i told. The "taunter" was Borowski and it was a straight result of Argentina talking trash to the germans DURING the penalties in the circle.The argentina players were talking trash to the germans in the midfield after every penalty. After the 4:2 Borowski told them to finally shut up. And Cufre kicking Mertesacker because he thought he was Borowski.
Do you think he would have done it without your players starting with trash? Do you ever read about german players talking trash during penalties or iniciating taunting after a win? Even if its against England, Netherlands etc?
So again, it was pretty classless and weak from the players to blame the "taunting" germans after you provocate it with trash talk that doesnt belong there. But of course no camera could catch that
2006 was 99% argentinas fault. 1% german, they should have just ignored that .
And yes, Argentina has a history of being classless on the field, sorry. Anf if you dont think that the two red cards 1990 was a sore loser ending of a game then we should stop this discussion. Thats why journalists asked that question to Schweinsteiger and Lahm and thats why they answered with such words.
Not because they try to talk trash before the game, because argentina worked sucessfully over a long time to earn such comments.
Sadly, because they have great players and play great football but they have an emotional and classless side that i always hated and what makes me lose a lot of respect for them.
Last edited by sefant77; 07-01-2010 at 08:49 PM.
hahaha, Sefant, you are a moron! In that Riquelme clip you can clearly see that Klose was playing dirty first, waiting for Riquelme's reaction and then looking at the referee
I have to admit that we dont have the best sportsmanship in the world but the germans are pure crap and don't have the right to badmouth any argentinian.
I say Arggentina wins by 3 goals, its either 4-1 or 5-2.
man, I hope we beat Germany by 3 or 4 goals, just so that this sefant arrogant piece of crap can eat all the he's been spewing for the past three weeks. Germany and their fans are starting to become the most obnoxious pieces of crap in the whole tournament.
It used to be that I wanted Brazil to lose above all, but now if bny some chance Brazil and Germany end up meeting in the final, I'll be wearing the Brazil flag. Literally. That's how ing arrogant and irritating these Germans have become.
lol talking about class...whats wrong with you people and this complete resistence against criticism etc? Someone of you trying to blame Schweinsteiger and Lahm for trash talking and then someone explains WHY they said that and again you can just ....
what piece of crap i was spewing? Really curious...
Arrogant? Hmmm, yesterday i wrote argentina-germany 60:40
Come on, you are not that blind. Klose pulled slighty on his shirt so he turn his head because he wanted to tell him somehting. And it wasnt trash, Klose is one of the nicest classy guys the past 10 years in football...but i guess u dont know that...hahaha, Sefant, you are a moron! In that Riquelme clip you can clearly see that Klose was playing dirty first, waiting for Riquelme's reaction and then looking at the referee
Maybe we should stop this discussion since you don't even seem to care to look for facts before making an argument, Monzon was sent off when the game was tied.Like i told. The "taunter" was Borowski and it was a straight result of Argentina talking trash to the germans DURING the penalties in the circle.
Do you think he would have done it without your players starting with trash? Do you ever read about german players talking trash during penalties or iniciating taunting after a win? Even if its against England, Netherlands etc?
So again, it was pretty classless and weak from the players to blame the "taunting" germans after you provocate it with trash talk that doesnt belong there. But of course no camera could catch that
2006 was 99% argentinas fault. 1% german, they should have just ignored that .
And yes, Argentina has a history of being classless on the field, sorry. Anf if you dont think that the two red cards 1990 was a sore loser ending of a game then we should stop this discussion. Thats why journalists asked that question to Schweinsteiger and Lahm and thats why they answered with such words.
Not because they try to talk trash before the game, because argentina worked sucessfully over a long time to earn such comments.
Sadly, because they have great players and play great football but they have an emotional and classless side that i always hated and what makes me lose a lot of respect for them.
And let's assume that what you say about Argie players talking trash is true, (on a side note:"o noes! talking trash in sports game"), talking trash during the game isn't the same as talking trash after the game specially when you won, that's just asking for a brawl. And even with your BS reasoning you accept that the fault is shared, so to about something you helped create (like some German players are doing now) it's just uncalled for and a move. Besides they are doing exactly what they're complaining about: provoke. How do you think the Argentinian players are feeling right now after those comments?
And to end, I don't hate the German NT like you say you do with the Argentinian NT 'cause I don't feel better than anybody and I'm not stupid enough to generalize and make assumptions of a coutry or a team for the acts of a few people.
haha Sefant! Do you read what you write before you post? Klose pulled Riquelme's shirt? Put your glasses on and you'll see he's clearly pinching him waiting for his reaction.
Seeing the things as you do, Sefant, I could say that in the pic you posted the german guy is trying to cufre's foot. Nasty germans!!!
Maybe because its getting too emotional. So i remembered one timing of a red card wrong, my bad.
One important difference (from what i read in a lot of sources): the germans ignored the trash talking during the shootout and didnt talk back. It wasnt 2 teams talking trash to each other and the winner keep on talking trash after the win. It was the winner team not reacting during the game and telling the other team after the game to suck it up (the talk). Thats a huge difference. Player A is talking trash all the game to player B, player B is just ignoring it the whole game. he hits the buzzer in As face and tell him to suck up his trashtalk. So its all player Bs fault and A has the right to punch him? Just asking....And let's assume that what you say about Argie players talking trash is true, (on a side note:"o noes! talking trash in sports game"), talking trash during the game isn't the same as talking trash after the game specially when you won, that's just asking for a brawl.
I explained it up. I dont see any fault shared if the german players said nothing back during the shootout. Then (!)they could tell them to suck it up after the game, i dont see why not. If you talk trash and keep on talking rash even if the other player or team doesnt respond to it...dont blame anyone if you get a bad comment after you lost to him/them...And even with your BS reasoning you accept that the fault is shared, so to about something you helped create (like some German players are doing now) it's just uncalled for and a move. Besides they are doing exactly what they're complaining about: provoke. How do you think the Argentinian players are feeling right now after those comments?
Dude, i dont hate the Arg NT or argentinian ppl. I said you have great players and NTs, i just dont like one specific side of a lot of argentinian players and thats the dirty side. And thats not just the opinion of an "arrogant german", its an fact all around the football world. Open a poll on the forum of ManU, Liverpool, Barca, Real, Ajax, PSV, Milan, Paris etc and ask there which country has the dirtiest players and you will have mostly 3 teams up there: Uruguay, Argentina, Italy. So if you want to call me arrogant, you should call the rest of the world arrogant too.And to end, I don't hate the German NT like you say you do with the Argentinian NT 'cause I don't feel better than anybody and I'm not stupid enough to generalize and make assumptions of a coutry or a team for the acts of a few people.
Well, lets forget 2006.
Lets try to trashtalk in the funny ironic way until saturday
@Manu: Sry, you are not worthy to answer anymore. Bye.
But see, that's the things with generalizations. You tend to make wrong assumptions about things just because of a pre-establized idea you have in your head.
You may like it or not, but talking trash during a game it's just part of sports, everybody does it, you can answer back or not, but the good thing about it, it's that when the final whistle blows, everything is forgotten and you shake hands with your oponent 'cause you know that what is said on the pitch stays on the pitch. Talking trash after the game is unacceptable, no matter if you got "trash talked" during the game or not.One important difference (from what i read in a lot of sources): the germans ignored the trash talking during the shootout and didnt talk back. It wasnt 2 teams talking trash to each other and the winner keep on talking trash after the win. It was the winner team not reacting during the game and telling the other team after the game to suck it up (the talk). Thats a huge difference. Player A is talking trash all the game to player B, player B is just ignoring it the whole game. he hits the buzzer in As face and tell him to suck up his trashtalk. So its all player Bs fault and A has the right to punch him? Just asking....
I already explained the "trash talking" part.I explained it up. I dont see any fault shared if the german players said nothing back during the shootout. Then (!)they could tell them to suck it up after the game, i dont see why not. If you talk trash and keep on talking rash even if the other player or team doesnt respond to it...dont blame anyone if you get a bad comment after you lost to him/them...
You said that IYO the Germans were 1% responsible for the brawl, so that's saying the fault is shared. Every time there're incidents like this one, both sides are on fault (and not just with a 1%). Blaming the other side and not accepting any responsability is classless and just wrong. Specially bringing it up after four years and just a couple of days before playing that other side.
Well, you did use the word "hate", but it doesn't matter, like I said I don't have a problem with German people either, in fact in this forum I criticized Alex Ferguson for generalizing and speaking bad about German people, for doing exactly what Lahm and Schweinsteiger are doing now with Argentina.Dude, i dont hate the Arg NT or argentinian ppl. I said you have great players and NTs, i just dont like one specific side of a lot of argentinian players and thats the dirty side. And thats not just the opinion of an "arrogant german", its an fact all around the football world. Open a poll on the forum of ManU, Liverpool, Barca, Real, Ajax, PSV, Milan, Paris etc and ask there which country has the dirtiest players and you will have mostly 3 teams up there: Uruguay, Argentina, Italy. So if you want to call me arrogant, you should call the rest of the world arrogant too.
And I'm not negating the fact that generalizations exist I'm just saying that they're stupid and unfair.
Bealive me, the last thing I want to do is keep remembering things about the 2006 eliminationWell, lets forget 2006.
Lets try to trashtalk in the funny ironic way until saturday
@Manu: Sry, you are not worthy to answer anymore. Bye.
Last edited by DAF86; 07-01-2010 at 10:04 PM.
Nice tactical preview:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/...tical-preview/
Will be interesting if Maradona gonna change his diamond midfield and add a 2nd CM. I think he is a little bit worried about the speed of Özil/Müller/Poldi.
For germany i think Ballacks injury will become now bigger. Khedira played a nice cup but these are now the games where a Ballack is just better to have because he draws also the attention of the other team.
Im fine if we lose, beating England and reaching the QF was important, now everything is additional sugar with this bloody young team. Im just glad to see this potential, the EC/WCs the next 10 years should be fun.
man, I'm going to have trouble sleeping now...@Manu: Sry, you are not worthy to answer anymore. Bye.
Give me a ing break! You sit there calling Argies dirty and we're supposed to what? just shut up and accept it? You make ascertions like they are fact, and so far you've spewed nothing but opinion. You accuse us of being dirty as if the German's are above reproach. You ARE an arrogant prick. We may or may not beat you, but that doesn't change the fact that in this WC its been the Germans who have been classless pieces of .
I really hope we beat Germany, but if we don't I'll be rooting for any team that plays against them including Brazil.
How's that for trash talking?
i meant the other manu(loco), sorry plenty of manus here.
Sry, its not just my personal opinion or hate, unfortunately thats what most of soccer fans worldwide think about argentina. Great players, but too often dirty. Like i said, just go on a soccer board in england, spain, italy, france and do the poll and wait the answer.Give me a ing break! You sit there calling Argies dirty and we're supposed to what? just shut up and accept it? You make ascertions like they are fact, and so far you've spewed nothing but opinion. You accuse us of being dirty as if the German's are above reproach. You ARE an arrogant prick.
Shouldnt you better think WHY is that instead of just calling me an arrogant prick? Thats a little bit easy. So why the argentinian football has this "dirty" trademark in his reputation? Specially in europe? And again: thats not me as a hater or anything, that reputation is a fact. So explain me please, too many pricks in europe? Millions?
Well, lets just forget that topic, ok? It wont lead to anything.
Last edited by sefant77; 07-01-2010 at 10:58 PM.
It is your opinion. I've been in several football forums, from English to Spanish and somehow I've yet to see a poll that states what you are claiming as fact. No, sorry, its YOUR opinion.
Look, I'll be the first to tell you I was pretty damn embarrased to see what happened in 2006. I admit the actions of our players were stupid and hotheaded, but don't come here spewing holier than thou bull as if the Germans are somehow the epitome of fair play. Its not like the Germans never commited a hard foul or flopped like a fish out of water to get a call they didn't deserve (Klinsmann).
and now with this bull from the German players. Unprovoked bull I might add, that serves no purpose other than to influence the ref which is completely ironic since it is exactly what they accusing the Argies of doing.
No offense, but so far this time, the lack of class is all German.
Maradona won't bench any of the three attackers so the diamond stays, I think Argentina's formation adapts well to Germany's one.
The two center backs get Klose, the side backs get Podolski and Muller, Mascherano with Ozil, and either Di maria or Rodriguez (or whoever plays in the side of the midfield) gets Lahm. I would also put Tevez or Messi on Lahm's side so he can't attack as much as he usually does, and if he does we take advantage of the spaces on the counter.
The change I would like to see is Maradona benching Demic is but he already said that won't happen, and I think Veron should play on this game, like I said above Germany's wingers can be marked by the defensive side-backs so Veron doesn't need to stay on the wing to mark players he can stay close to Mascherano to defend either Bastian S. or Kedhira and when we have the ball his ball control and passing would be huge for us, he will also allow Messi to play more as a finisher than a playmaker. And last but not least his experience and football presence would be a plus against a very young and unexperienced German team.
The team I would like to see:
Romero
Otamendi Burdisso Samuel Heinze
Veron Mascherano Di maria
Messi
Higuain Tevez
Last edited by DAF86; 07-01-2010 at 11:32 PM.
As much as I want the German's to lose, I'm finding it hard to believe our defense is going to shape up enough to stop the German offense. The way they dismantled England was outstanding, and I know England wasn't exactly the best team out there, but they played decently and our D isn't much better than theirs in all truthfulness.
No, this is going to be the hardest match we've played so far and I have my doubts we'll come out on top. I've grown to despise their arrogant bull , but as a team, Germany is pretty much on top in this WC.
for some reason, your posts have got my even more amped up to watch this match as if I wasn't already excited.
Messi will have to find his scoring touch and that Argie D is gonna have to step up.
I picked Argentina to win it all but I really want Argentina to win because Maradona will be giving the greatest presser in the history of world football afterwards.
An interesting piece on the tactical matchup and Schweinsteiger's hypocresy by SI.COM's Jonathan Wilson.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ina/index.html
Fight fight fight
If Argentina plays like they did against Mexico, they have no shot.
sons each team has a shot. I think will be a balanced game. The germans are too organized and hustle alot while the argies too talented and creative.
Whoever goes will probably fall to spain, because both teams cannot control midfield as spain does, and both their defenses are not great when pressured by technical sides (germans deal well with physicality but great controllers of the ball give them headaches). My 2 cents.
Sincerely, let the best team win, i'd either argentina or germany to go to the finals than spain.
I really don't understand how you can speak of "these Germans" in general. I talked to A LOT of fans over here and everybody has a great amount of respect for Argentina. Same thing goes for the majority of the german players. Most of them say that Argentina is a great team and hard to beat.
I really don't understand why some quotes (which are taken out of context) and maybe 1-2 opinions you read on the internet can make you "hate" somebody.
I am also sure that ALL players form Argentina also think that they will win as well. That is the mindest you need to have and nothing wrong with that.
How about Brazil? More class than Argentina and a better team. Argentina has a bit of jealousy of their rival Brazil in futbol.Like i told. The "taunter" was Borowski and it was a straight result of Argentina talking trash to the germans DURING the penalties in the circle.
Do you think he would have done it without your players starting with trash? Do you ever read about german players talking trash during penalties or iniciating taunting after a win? Even if its against England, Netherlands etc?
So again, it was pretty classless and weak from the players to blame the "taunting" germans after you provocate it with trash talk that doesnt belong there. But of course no camera could catch that
2006 was 99% argentinas fault. 1% german, they should have just ignored that .
And yes, Argentina has a history of being classless on the field, sorry. Anf if you dont think that the two red cards 1990 was a sore loser ending of a game then we should stop this discussion. Thats why journalists asked that question to Schweinsteiger and Lahm and thats why they answered with such words.
Not because they try to talk trash before the game, because argentina worked sucessfully over a long time to earn such comments.
Sadly, because they have great players and play great football but they have an emotional and classless side that i always hated and what makes me lose a lot of respect for them.
Well, for me Brasil is always the team to beat.
Their player and talent pool every single year is ridiculous. Dani Alves on the bench? In the past they often beat themselves but now with Dunga they are really scaring. I know everybody in Brasil hates him because of the style and for kicking out old washed up veterans but right now they remember me of Inter. Playing incredible controlled defense and then kill you with a few great individual moments.
My ranking for the rest of the tournament:
Brasil
Argentina
Germany and Spain
Netherlands
Spain had a weird worldcup. Pretty lucky several times (no red card Villa, offside goal etc) and they still have to proof that became a better tournament team.
I take Germany over the Netherlands because of the mental advantage.
i think we have better builders in midfield than inter, and as we go out on offense the brasilian style of passing in midfield can't be confused.
Holy the match hasn't started and it's already 8 pages long.
lmaoi think we have better builders in midfield than inter, and as we go out on offense the brasilian style of passing in midfield can't be confused.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
