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    no need for it to be blue, I'm sure there's a contingent out there who wouldn't be phased if the Spurs gave an MLE deal to Bonner and dumped Splitter's rights.

    That contingent would only be in your own head....

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    no reason for Spurs to be cheap here, RJ just gifted them millions of salary+luxtax relief, open up the pocketbook and bring the dude over, don't worry about getting someone else with part of the MLE, just bring back players like RJ, Ian, Hairston and etc.

    throw that draft pick into the mix right away too

    and for the love of god TRADE TONY PARKER!!!!
    Draft night hurt, huh?

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    Anybody consider the possibility that a thread such as this with so many people saying "pay the guy" might actually provide more leverage for Splitter and drive up his price?

    Unlikely, but lesser things have been suggested.

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    Kahn as a GM is reaching Ted Stepien-esque proportions for Basketball Tom Foolery.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...25252/12253005
    1980 - Cleveland trades Bill Robinzine, their 1983 1st round pick (Derek Harper), and their 1986 first round pick (Roy Tarpley) to Dallas in exchange for Richard Washington and Jerome Whitehead. Granted no future superstars were involved in this deal, but the cluelessness of then Cavs owner Ted Stepien put the trade on this list, who had an irritating habit of trading his top draft picks for doghouse scrubs. The man literally didn't know basketball. If you thought the Isiah Thomas era in New York was bad, the Stepien era in Cleveland was - well, there is no appropriate word to describe it. It was THAT bad. Washington spent the next season and a half with the Cavs, averaging 9.1 PPG, while Whitehead would be cut three weeks after the trade. Derek Harper would turn out to be a very good NBA player for Dallas.
    How do I know about Ted Stepien? You had to be alive and into hoops back in a day when NBA finals games were tape-delayed and be addicted to the little orange ball. Strangely...I'm still addicted.

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    o Everybody! Back from the dead.

    I want to assume RJ is playing humble and allowing the Spurs to allot more of (his possible dough) towards Splitter and another free agent.

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    I'm hoping the working out with Pop story is straight CIA intended to help prop Jefferson's value in free agency a bit. The more he signs for, the bigger trade exception the Spurs can get.

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    Is there a chance that if the Spurs can't agree with Splitter, that they will sign-and-trade him or trade his rights before July 15?

    If so, would there be a chance of getting anyone significant? Of course, the Spurs priority is Splitter and I think he will be great here. But the longer this goes without much news the more doubt I start to get. Splitter has been able to discuss with the Spurs since the end of his season and it seems like it would have been easy to get an agreement as he wants to join the NBA most likely and we want him to come and have the MLE to give him.

    I sure hope he's signed ASAP.

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    Is there a chance that if the Spurs can't agree with Splitter, that they will sign-and-trade him or trade his rights before July 15?
    It would seem logical. He wouldn't have an out in his contract for another two years if I remember correctly, so getting something for him now would seem defendable. And if he stays in Europe it might be for a new team that pays the higher Euro-buyout, meaning more years added to his contract and a longer wait until the next buyout option.

    But the longer this goes without much news the more doubt I start to get. Splitter has been able to discuss with the Spurs since the end of his season and it seems like it would have been easy to get an agreement as he wants to join the NBA most likely and we want him to come and have the MLE to give him.

    I sure hope he's signed ASAP.
    It does seem at least a little weird. If the Spurs aren't offering him the MLE, then why aren't they? Because there's little defense of them if they're not offering the full MLE while happily entertaining the possibility of Bonner's return. If Splitter's not willing to sign for the MLE, then that's a big killer.

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    It would seem logical. He wouldn't have an out in his contract for another two years if I remember correctly, so getting something for him now would seem defendable. And if he stays in Europe it might be for a new team that pays the higher Euro-buyout, meaning more years added to his contract and a longer wait until the next buyout option.
    Ya, that's what I was thinking. I mean if there's no chance of a deal maybe they'd trade his rights before the July 15 date in case another team wants to try or has more money to offer him.

    It does seem at least a little weird. If the Spurs aren't offering him the MLE, then why aren't they? Because there's little defense of them if they're not offering the full MLE while happily entertaining the possibility of Bonner's return. If Splitter's not willing to sign for the MLE, then that's a big killer.
    Exactly. Why wouldn't they offer it to him? No reason not to. I just don't get why he wouldn't have signed with us already, there seems to be something stopping him. Like you say, if he wants more than the MLE we do have a big problem at hand. That's why I considered a possible trade in case this was the scenario.

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    Exactly. Why wouldn't they offer it to him?
    Who knows? Maybe they just want to go cheap on him. They didn't want to pay Scola a Bonner-level contract. Maybe they don't want to jeopardize re-signing Bonner with the addition of so much for Splitter.

    I just don't get why he wouldn't have signed with us already, there seems to be something stopping him.
    Maybe it's a situation where he wants to have his ass kissed and be promised a big role. Spurs usually don't kiss ass and usually don't promise anything to anyone.

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    These are tricky negotiations for the Spurs. Their only leverage is that it's becoming pretty obvious that Splitter wants to come to the NBA. That could allow the Spurs to play a little bit of hardball.

    I'm assuming the Spurs' opening offer to Splitter would be something in the neighborhood of three-years and $15 million. But yeah, as Yahoo suggests, Pekovic's deal makes that offer look too small.
    That's actually powerful leverage for one reason: the Spurs are the only NBA team he can talk to. Pekovic can shop himself around. Splitter can't.

    Splitter's leverage is even less than a RFA.

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    That's actually powerful leverage for one reason: the Spurs are the only NBA team he can talk to. Pekovic can shop himself around. Splitter can't.

    Splitter's leverage is even less than a RFA.
    Pekovic's draft rights are owned by the Timberwolves as they drafted him with their 2nd round pick. He also cannot talk to other teams. The reason why he tole teams to not pick him in the 1st round is because he did not want to be restrained by the 1st round draft pick rookie scale as he may go over to the NBA before the 3 year limit.

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    That's actually powerful leverage for one reason: the Spurs are the only NBA team he can talk to. Pekovic can shop himself around. Splitter can't.

    Splitter's leverage is even less than a RFA.
    Pekovic couldn't have shopped himself around, as he was Minny's 2008 2nd round draft pick.

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    THAT'S PRICELESS. THIS JUST MADE MY DAY!!!

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    Why is everything so deathly quiet on the splitter front?

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    Why is everything so deathly quiet on the splitter front?
    Definitely makes me nervous. He's supposedly the number one target for the Spurs this off-season and there is no news in the first couple days of free agency?

    Well at least we know it won't drag out all summer.

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    Why is everything so deathly quiet on the splitter front?
    Hopefully, they're just working out the details. Even if both sides agree that the contract will start at the full MLE or very close to it, there is still plenty to negotiate. The Spurs certainly aren't handing the full MLE to Splitter's agent and letting him structure it any way he sees fit.

    Length of contract
    Player options
    Teams options
    Trade kickers

    So, I'm hoping that they're down to the details.

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    I just wish we heard more, because of all these other rumors about the spurs being interested in MLE level players makes one nervous.

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    Why is everything so deathly quiet on the splitter front?
    Maybe because he's getting married tomorrow. After the honeymoon, maybe?

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    Maybe because he's getting married tomorrow. After the honeymoon, maybe?
    Wha...really?

    Either way, he has until the 20th to opt out of his euro contract...so it better not be a long honeymoon.

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    Wha...really?

    Either way, he has until the 20th to opt out of his euro contract...so it better not be a long honeymoon.
    I believe he only has until the 15th to get his buyout clause activated with Caja Laboral.

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    The one concern to me is that the Spurs have been able to talk to Splitter all along. They did not have to wait for July 1 to negotiate a deal with him. It seems like it would have been done by now, especially with the time constraints on his buy out.

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    Why is everything so deathly quiet on the splitter front?
    No worries, folks. Tiago was just focused on the World Cup.

    @tiagosplitter21

    Brasil fuera/ fora/ out!!! Thats horrible!!

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    Just like everyone else, now that his country is out, he'll have to go back to focusing on his day job.

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    Sometimes no news is good news. While we haven't heard any reports that an agreement is close, we also haven't seen any public posturing by his agent or any media reports that 'sources close to Splitter aren't happy with the offer from the Spurs'.

    Perhaps most encouraging, except for Caja's extension offer, when was the last report of another European team targeting Splitter?

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    Things are gonna go silent with the holiday weekend coming up anyways.

    My buddys already left the office and said the offices are pretty bare even at 3 on friday.

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