Veteran's house seized and sold for $3,500

[Wild Cobra]

So you think laws against fraud basically protect people from their own stupidity, they should be abolished, and basically strip those swindled from any recourse in a court of law?

This isn't fraud.

[ElNono]

Maybe they did have a visit. Doesn't matter, a contract was signed. people do unethical things all the time. It's obvious very few here are angels. I'm sure many here would scam someone out of property if they could.

But they don't because there are consequences for doing that. Written in law.
If those laws were not written, would those scams all of a sudden be 'legitimate ventures'?

[ElNono]

This isn't fraud.

Only because it's not codified in law as such.

[Wild Cobra]

Only because it's not codified in law as such.

To commit fraud, you purposely mislead people. the Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs) are readily available. They spell out such possible actions. When you buy, you agree to such terms and conditions.

[Spurminator]

Maybe they did have a visit. Doesn't matter, a contract was signed. people do unethical things all the time.

You are a horrible person.

It's obvious very few here are angels. I'm sure many here would scam someone out of property if they could.

You have a very low opinion of the average human which is probably derived from your own lack of humanity.

[Wild Cobra]

You are a horrible person.

Why? Because I will not agree to cir venting the law?

They didn't have to buy this house. They should have paid the dues.

They violated the contract.

Yes, I think the penalty was extreme, but I wasn't the stupid imbecile that signed the contract.

Next, you guys will want to give back money to those who lose in stock ventures.

Wait... That's what the bank bailouts did!

[Wild Cobra]

You have a very low opinion of the average human which is probably derived from your own lack of humanity.

No, those of you who think people need to be protected from their own stupidity are the ones seeing others as dumb.

[ElNono]

To commit fraud, you purposely mislead people. the Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs) are readily available. They spell out such possible actions. When you buy, you agree to such terms and conditions.

Those conditions are not static and indeed change after you purchase the house.

Besides, nobody here is claiming that they did comply with the HOA rules.

What is a fraud is allowing HOAs to simply put a lien on a house and sell it without providing any recourse in front of an impartial en y/person.
Because it's spelled out in a contract and signed, doesn't automatically mean it's a valid contract. Do you know what a unconscionable contract is?

[ElNono]

Next thing we know, WC will be justifying death by lethal injection for a parking violation... because, you know, they didn't need to park there!

[baseline bum]

You have a very low opinion of the average human which is probably derived from your own lack of humanity.

You're talking to the person who said he'd personally go shoot people at the border if it was legal.

I am flat out fed up. Yes, if they will not do these other things, then I say shoot them as they cross. I would go and take my rifle if it was legal to shoot them.

[Spurminator]

Next thing we know, WC will be justifying death by lethal injection for a parking violation... because, you know, they didn't need to park there!

It was in the fine print on the sign at the corner! You should have read it before you parked! Imbecile!

[Blake]

I am flat out fed up. Yes, if they will not do these other things, then I say shoot them as they cross. I would go and take my rifle if it was legal to shoot them.

...further entrenching my position on gun control laws

[RandomGuy]

Why? Because I will not agree to cir venting the law?

They didn't have to buy this house. They should have paid the dues.

They violated the contract.

Yes, I think the penalty was extreme, but I wasn't the stupid imbecile that signed the contract.

Next, you guys will want to give back money to those who lose in stock ventures.

Wait... That's what the bank bailouts did!

You say all of that as if the line between fraud and not fraud is always perfectly clear and 100% black or white.

Is it?

[TeyshaBlue]

You say all of that as if the line between fraud and not fraud is always perfectly clear and 100% black or white.

Is it?

Goldman Sachs sure hopes not.

[Winehole23]

[EmptyMan]

Army should predator drone the next HOA meeting.

[elbamba]

I visit so few websites with such items.

You might be always clicking the box that says "Yes I'm 18 or older," but I don't go to those places. If a site needs information of which i then have to give permission... I rarely use that site. The internet is not secure.

So you have never used Ebay, Amazon, Overstock, Google, Yahoo? You have never banked on-line, paid a bill on-line? You have never reserved a room at a hotel, rented a vehicle, purchased a plane ticket? I can assure you that 99% of the sites you visit have a terms and conditions page that binds you everytime you use it.

I suppose you read through your phone contract before you purchased your cell phone. I am sure you read through all 500 pages of your mortgage. I am sure you are familiar with all of the terms and conditions of the utility companies you use, as well as the applicable statutes that govern these en ies.

If we could all be as perfect as you I would be out of a job. However, after 25+ years, I can tell you that smart people usually make mistakes but people who preach like you do either have nothing to lose or are just full of crap. I think either is a possibility in your case.

[SnakeBoy]

I think either is a possibility in your case.

No he's full of crap.

[LnGrrrR]

What more do dumb people need if they aren't going to read and understand?

Again WC, do you have an iPhone? Something similar? If so, did you read the 64 page or so contract acceptance?

[LnGrrrR]

Next thing we know, WC will be justifying death by lethal injection for a parking violation... because, you know, they didn't need to park there!

There was a law passed stating it! If people don't know the law, that's THEIR FAULT! IT'S THE LAW!

[Wild Cobra]

Do you know what a unconscionable contract is?

Well councilor, you can try arguing that in this case, but I think you'll lose in this case. especially since they didn't sell the house for value. Just enough to cover the money owed, and acceptable fees.

[Wild Cobra]

Next thing we know, WC will be justifying death by lethal injection for a parking violation... because, you know, they didn't need to park there!

You must have watched a "Charmed" re-run.

[RandomGuy]

Well councilor, you can try arguing that in this case, but I think you'll lose in this case. especially since they didn't sell the house for value. Just enough to cover the money owed, and acceptable fees.

Estoppel

[TeyshaBlue]

Estoppel

Quite possible. Intriguing.

[Wild Cobra]

...further entrenching my position on gun control laws

My statement has no bearing on gun control laws. If guns were banned and somehow magically eliminated, we would use bows and arrows.