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Went to high school in Wisconsin with this guy.
Guess its time to fired RC. Obviously we have better GMs on this board. What's wrong with him? We have D-Leaguers that could easliy fill that SF spot and still win it all.
Went to high school in Wisconsin with this guy.
I would rather have Tony Allen for his defense at a cheaper cost with no long term commitment than Jefferson's choking ass making 8 mil per or more. He's simply not worth half that amount as at this stage of his career he doesn't do anything greatly and he disappears when it counts the most. Also, he already has a mental block about playing in this system so I see no reason why that would get better.
Give me a guy who can defend the perimeter.
Wait, I thought you said they need a shooter?
timvp, this is an excellent and useful list! I know how much time it takes to put something together like this. While the rankings can be debated, I think over-all, it is a complete view of the market.
Who knows what the Spurs are scheming, here?
I'd be pretty happy with any of the top 6. Good write up.
Good question. As has been pointed out, RJ not being able to shoot or defend at an above average level makes him a pretty damn bad fit. That said, we already know he's a good fit in the locker room and has a lot of playoff experience ... so I couldn't drop him out of the top six players on the list. Very well could be three or four. But RJ ranking that high has more to do with a weak FA crop than him being a fit.
The again, if RJ's asking price is really $9-10 million over four or five years ... I could point out ten other options that I'd rather the Spurs go with.
Good list, timvp. Quasi-realistically, my top choice is Korver. More realistically, an LLE signing of Rasual Butler would be very nice. Most realistically, I think the Spurs SF will be someone not on this list- either Richard Jefferson, or a player already signed to an NBA squad, acquired via a TE.
Classic objective postLogical reasons for trying someone else instead of Jefferson :
1. He didn't shoot threes.
2. He didn't defend well.
3. He wasn't a consistent member of the Spurs closing squad in crunchtime, and there's no reason to think he will be next season.
4. He often could be described as playing soft or as not hustling.
5. He's 30 and declining athletically.
6. He rocked out to 9 points a game in the playoffs.
7. He was benched for a stretch of games and only brought back as a starter after Parker's injury.
8. If he performed like that in his contract year, imagine him with job security.
9. Failed miserably when counted on to be the defensive stopper at the beginning of the season, causing Pop to unleash the Centerpiece.
10. He often won't even be the 4th option on the floor in line-ups with TD-Manu-TP, that will be Hill or Splitter.
Logical reasons for paying Jefferson a lot of money in a multi-year deal:
Well . . . I guess . . . uh . . . we don't know if Hairston/Gee/LLE scrub can fail to the tune of 9 ppg and not play in crunchtime while standing around inside the 3-point line.
Giving RJ $10 million per is difficult when it's quite possible that he'll be the team's sixth scoring option (behind the Big 3, Hill and Splitter). If James Anderson pans out, RJ could be the seventh option.
$10 million per season for a seventh option whose main strength is being a scoring option? Uh ...... thinking about it like that, it'd be really hard to agree with s ing out the money to RJ.
How did the Spurs not know about Wes Matthews?
When I first saw him play and heard that he was not drafted and was also from San Antonio I was amazed he wasn't on the Spurs summer league team at least.
Born in San Antonio, from Wisconsin.
Of the pure defenders, I'd probably take Mcguire rather than Allen. Mcguire is a better fit for our size needs - he's 6'9" (vs 6'4"), our biggest problem is guarding bigger 3's. I'd rate them equally defensively. Also Mcguire is much more likely to be affordable - Allen is coming off a valueable role in a NBA finals; someone should give him some cash.
And if we are going to play small ball (No, I don't think Pop is going to give up the concept), Mcguire would be the best small-ball pf on the roster; Allen wouldn't.
Let's be realistic - Spurs will use MLE for Splitter. So our options at SF are limited to LLE. Looking at the list, this is what I like (in that order):
1) Barnes
2) Kleiza
2) McGrady
For the past year, Spurstalk has featured relentless nonstop jokes about Richard Jefferson-- and now it features a bunch of guys posting about how they don't want him to leave, he's the best option available, we're screwed if he doesn't stay, please don't go Richard, you'd be a fool to leave... Ironic, no?
What's that word so many here love to use... oh yeah-- Butthurt.
Nice list, Timvp. Appreciate the work. Just want to re-categorize a little.
FAs the Spurs have virtually no shot at signing:
1. Mike Miller - will get signed by a good team, probably Lakers
2. Josh Childress - Hawks will probably use his rights in a deal
3. Kyle Korver - more than likely to stay with Jazz
4. Travis Outlaw - best player available, in my opinion
5. Ryan Gomes - somebody is going to overpay this kid
FAs out of the Spurs range who might fly under the radar:
1. Wesley Matthews - interesting, big potential
2. Linas Kleiza - does he want to come back?
3. Ronnie Brewer - great back-up option
Out of range AND do not want:
1. Josh Howard - too many issues, former Mav.
FAs the Spurs would be lucky to get for the LLE:
1. Matt Barnes - made big improvements, still not a very good shooter
2. Dorell Wright - nice athlete, he and GHill can trade penis pics
3. Rasual Butler - my 2nd choice after Outlaw
4. Tony Allen - best defender option, can't shoot
5. James Jones - best shooter, can't defend
No, thank you:
1. Quentin Richardson - at ude
2. Bobby Simmons - always injured
3. Tracy McGrady - old, broken
4. Jarvis Hayes - soft
5. Bostjan Nachbar - Turkish turkey
6. Rodney Carney - talented, but can't stick on a bad team
7. Stephen Graham - not special in any way
8. Devin Brown - been there done that
9. Keith Bogans - (see Devin Brown)
10. Joey Graham - (see Stephen Graham)
Dark Horses:
1. Pete Mickeal - I defer to Timvp
2. Alan Anderson - ditto
3. Antoine Wright - not bad back-up
4. Dominic McGuire - ditto
5. Damien Wilkins - Hmmmmmm . . . .
I wasn't sold on Korver at first, but any player who is coached by Jerry Sloan for multiple years and doesn't wind up in his doghouse can't be all THAT bad...
Would also love to see what Morrow or Miller could do in the SA offense. Maybe RC can convince Nellie that RJ is just the kind of veteran his team needs for leadership...
I agree that Korver is a real long-shot, but not for the reason you state.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...hews.html?pg=2
"The Jazz contacted Korver's camp Thursday and haven't ruled out re-signing him, but for now, chances of that happening seem remote."
I still find it hard to believe that many here agree that McGuire is one of the top defenders on this list and might be the best defender of the group, but still don't want him. I say grab him for a minimum contract. He won't start, but he can help and will be cheap. The Suns were #1 in the NBA in 3 pt% this season, and lacking in D. The Lakers were 24th in 3pt%, and extremely long and strong on D. Tony Allen is an offensive liability too, and he contributed nicely for the Celts, who by the way, were 17th in 3 pt%. Put Allen on a mediocre team and he's worthless. On Boston, he helps. The Spurs were ranked 11th in 3 pt%. They're already better from outside than the two teams that played for the championship. I still say the their main weakness is defense, not outside shooting.
For the record, I've never made one gay joke about RJ, have always been quick to come to his defense, generally sympathize with his situation last year and honestly hope he makes the necessary adjustments and improvements and stays with the Spurs.
What's that word so many here love to use... oh yeah-- Butthurt.
While it is true that the Spurs have very little options, it's also true that RJ has skills that we didn't see the full potential of last year. I really don't see how he cannot improve next season.
I think that was wishful thinking on my part that Matthews would be more available than Korver.
Cool. I agree. The nonstop slew of childish and knotheaded jokes really was annoying and one of the main reasons I stopped visiting Spurstalk as much as I used to. I don't think this site would put up with 50 racist jokes a day or people using the N word to criticize players they don't like. I don't know why the other stuff was tolerated. If people logged on to spurstalk everyday and were greeted by a dozen "Jefferson is a stupid ######" comments, there would very justifiedly be an uproar. it should've been the same with the jokes.
True, if Anderson can be a legit shooter he could surpass Jefferson as well. And if Anderson can be an average defender he could surpass Jefferson there as well. , even Blair could surpass Jefferson as a scoring option if he improves his his offense with some range on a jumper and improves around the rim. He already can score working the two-man game with Manu.Classic objective post
Giving RJ $10 million per is difficult when it's quite possible that he'll be the team's sixth scoring option (behind the Big 3, Hill and Splitter). If James Anderson pans out, RJ could be the seventh option.
$10 million per season for a seventh option whose main strength is being a scoring option? Uh ...... thinking about it like that, it'd be really hard to agree with s ing out the money to RJ.
If anything, I would want to see what Anderson, Hairston, Gee, LLE can do.
Hairston outplayed Bogans most everytime I saw him. He hasn't proven he can shoot 3s as a Spur but neither has RJ.
And who knows, the alternative to Jefferson could be better. Maybe not a better player on paper, but a better fit on the court. George Hill couldn't get a chance with Jacque Vaughn around. Stephen Jackson wasn't getting a chance with a healthy Steve Smith and Terry Porter around.
Sometimes, just sometimes, the young/unproven player proves better than the known underachiever.
The McGuire bandwagon has been rather lonely the last few years, nice to have some company.
We gots plenty of room!
Timvp,
Nice tidbit about Mathews being from San Antonio. But if not mistaken, he's not the only player on your list whose father played for the Spurs. If I remember correctly, Brewer's dad also played for the Spurs and was involved in the trade to get Mike Mitc from Cleveland.
You're right, Truth. His father, Ron, was a Spur back in the day and the Spurs had interest in moving up to acquire Ronnie when he was drafted -- not that there haven't been plenty of other players that they tried to move up and draft.
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