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I forgot to mention that in this deal, Jefferson isn't touched, so we can still S&T him for picks, a SG (our weakness now) or just a trade exception.
I also think if anything, we're sending non guaranteed guys to get a SF prospect. Parker's value is severely depressed right now, might as well wait till it picks up. I doubt that the Bulls would trade Gibson(Will be either #2 or 3 big man for them next season depending on who comes) but a James Johnson/Rudy Fernandez steal for 2 expiring contract guys could be reasonable, especially as the 2/3 positions are relatively interchangeable for the Spurs offense.
I forgot to mention that in this deal, Jefferson isn't touched, so we can still S&T him for picks, a SG (our weakness now) or just a trade exception.
In reality or the GM game? Wait..what thread are we in?!?!? j/k
Bulls trade Gibson and never look back if it means they get 2 of the big 3 of Bosh/Wade/Bron. You don't refuse to do that deal when you can't get two of those guys if you don't give him up.
It took 6 pages, but a terribly flimsy rumor turned into the most complex fictional trade I've ever seen. I'd move on if I wasn't so impressed with the turn of events.
Gotta ask you though 2Pac...how realistic would you say your trade is?
The spurs need to:
1. trade Parker for Miller and Rudy + filler
2. Forget signing Jefferson...he doesn't fit anyway
3. Use the LLE to sign a star backup PG and a sniper for backup SF
4. Go with Hill, Anderson, Hairston, Duncan and Splitter (fingers crossed). Bring Rudy, Manu, Miller and Blair off the bench....
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Yea obviously They'd do that. But I think they'd rather toss in futures 1st or give away Johnson, considering Gibson is locked in at a low cost(The 26th pick), and Fits for them, as well as being more valuable to them than to other teams(Where he'd be a lot lower on the depth chart.) He's not on the untradable level of Rose and Noah, but I doubt a team is going to hold out for him.
Or they could just use the trade exception they hopefully get for RJ to snag Martell Webster, bring Splitter over and call it an offseason -- seems like a lot less work and a lot less words . . .
1. Portland wants Deng. Nothing about this rumor inidcated Deng might come here.
2. Portland wouldn't help the Spurs get Deng, unless they would also improve tremendously.
3. Even without 1&2, the Spurs couldn't possibly match salaries in a deal that featured Hill. Acquiring Deng would pretty much require trading Parker or Ginobili.
When it suggests that the Spurs are trying to "get in on the trade" it doesn't mean that there is a chance that we get Luol Deng out of the deal. If it's not a complete fabrication, it just means that the Spurs think they see a way of obtaining a cheaper player or a draft pick by facilitating a trade, or possibly squeezing out a little bit more cap room.
I can think of a couple of possibilities, but I'm too tired and lazy to check if any of them apply right now:
Is this the season the Blazers could extend Bayless' rookie deal? If it is, he would become a base-year player, which could screw up the numbers for the trade if it progresses. That might require getting a third team involved. Maybe the Blazers want to consider trading Bayless, but don't want to risk not extending him, if a deal doesn't happen?
Maybe the Spurs are trying to find a way to squeeze some value out of an exception? I don't remember if they have any available right now, but that would fit for them to be "involved", without a major player on the table. I think it is possible that some of the owners might be inclined to facilitate deals that are strictly financial, if they have an impact on the cap over the next couple of seasons.
The Spurs may have reason to believe that the Blazers would part with Batum. If so, it's a small enough chunk of salary that they might be able to pull it off - especially if it helps facilitate a deal to bring Deng to Portland. Deng would make Portland a lot better. I can see them being so interested that they would consider a deal that helps the Spurs, as long as it doesn't help us TOO much. Maybe Gee gets sent to Chicago in the process?
Why would Minnesota do that.
All I know is that Richard "I figuratively and literally suck balls" Jefferson better not be on this roster next year.
I don't care if we sign and trade him for a cardboard cut-out of Michael Olowokandi, just get his ass out of here.
Um...because the Spurs already have a starting SF.
Webster isn't worth that money when he's just gonna ride the bench. And since when was Webster available?
I think that this flimsy ambiguous rumor that states simply "Spurs getting involved", which precedes, but is not attached to, a proposed trade NOT appearing to involve the Spurs has created waaay too much chatter.
This thread is atrocious.
actually b4 we pull any trades
first we must get pen to paper with splitter, that is no.1 priority
for the last 5-6 years, any FA with a brain who mentions the spurs are in discussion, always end up gettin a payrise on their new contract, cause teams will try to outbid the spurs offer and rely on spurs scouting when they have no connection just that the spurs are interested they must be doing something right, lets jump the gun b4 they put in a offer....look at how many long 3s we have missed out over the years...
Well, the Blazers can have this one...he'll make $50M for the next 4yrs, while likely not being worth it, and occupy a spot in the depth chart directly ahead of Batum (who could end up being the better of the two if he got PT).
Sounds good to me.
Get Batum please...
Realistic? No clue. It works financially for all teams.
The biggest thing is that Cleveland isn't going to be in it if it gets Bron moved to Chicago. So Bron has to stay for it to work.
Cleveland has been trying everything to get a PG, and Andre is old, but he is still better than what Cleveland has, and it lets Mo play more SG.
Portland wants Deng, but they have wanted that franchise PG for years, and this trade gets it to them. Portland is young and RAW now at SF, but they are absolutely studly at PG/SG/PF and very good at Center. I think you take that. As much as Portland would like to upgrade at SF, Parker is a HUGE upgrade over Miller and a player they have wanted for a long time. Parker+JamesJohnson+JamaroMoon>>>>DENG. That's why Portland does it.
SA obviously gets younger and deeper up front, but we also become very thin at SG/PG.
Chicago gets Bosh+Wade and keeps Noah+Rose. They obviously want to keep Gibson, but I think they need to drop him financially. I would put someone other than West in the trade, but I don't know who else isn't guaranteed other than the big oaf in Dallas.
Now, how realistic? Well, I came up with it myself. I think it really benefits all teams, and it works financially. Cleveland gets the least amount of talent, but they also only send Moon/West (who is getting cut anyway) and getting their starting PG.
The trade that is being talked about: Deng for Bayless/Pryzizizizbilla doesn't clear enough cap space for Chicago, so there is really no benefit of doing it. Chicago needs closer to 4mm cleared, and that deal only clears ~1.5mm. This deal clears almost 5mm.
I'll make sure I'm not as careless with the color of ink next time.
Who's their starting forward if they acquire Webster for a trade exception from RJ?
Point is, Webster's exactly what they need from their starting forward but it's extremely unlikely he'd be able to be had (in a logical world, that is -- his GM is Kahn after all) -- I figured you were being a bit facetious with your post, figured I'd make it easier on you.
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Not fixed. Portland is over the cap and under that trade proposal Portland would have nearly $25M of incoming contracts (Deng/Parker) and nowhere near that amount going out. That trade wouldn't work.
This is stupid. We need him at this point. Him opting out is looking pretty ty for us if we don't have some previously agreed upon deal.
Chill with the hate and open your ing eyes.
The point is that he really didn't contribute enough to be irreplaceable.
You guys are just panicking right now because it's the offseason, 's flying around and everyone is excited.
We can and will make do without his 12 points and 4 rebounds.
It makes no sense for everyone to be going "OH NOES WE HAVE NO SMALL FORWARD!" We'll find another guy if need be. Bruce Bowen was no stat machine and we were just fine.
Re ing lax.
Beyonce was singing about Richard Jefferson.
There is a huge drop off between Jefferson and Harrison. We have NO ONE if we don't make a move and Splitter will likely take most of the MLE, if not all.
Jefferson wasn't who we expected, but without some sort of move to fill his void, we are losing 5-10 more games next year, which puts us as a borderline playoff team. Anyone who thinks we are a better team is he walks away is a huge moron.
Look we have a ton of ifs going into this season, so many that RJ could not make or break us. If Splitter pulls weight and Anderson pulls weight, then we just need a defensive guy at the small forward who can play D and grab a couple boards.
If Splitter and Anderson pull weight then it's a whole new team anyway. If they can't pull weight, we're ed whether we've got RJ, Hairston, Matt Barnes, Joe Blow or a cardboard cut-out of Michael Olowokandi at the 3.
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