But of course . . . .
Nothing I'm going to attempt to find all these years later ion the internet.
You have to remember. I lived the beginning of affirmative action. You will hound me until I can find an internet source you can't debunk with another. I'm not playing your sick game today.
Did you live through affirmative action from the start?
The world was a much better place when the vast majority of blacks were confined to the ghetto and not given any real chance to be upwardly mobile. Yeah, sure, there were the few that managed to find a way out, but at least you could trust that they had to overcome substantial hurdles along the way and had shown their merits!!
I'm no logician, but I do believe this form of argument is fallacious.
I simply don't believe you.
You make up things like "statistics" too often to be taken at your word.
That's your fault for being a liar.
Affirmative action started as a good program. It then evolved to quota systems. If you don't see the harm that does on society, then I'm at a loss of what to say next. I don't know how to give any short answers on that.
It has the word "California" in it!
Bye Chump. Either you didn't understand my words, or you are purposely skewing them. Either way, considered yourself ignored unless you actually say something relevant.
You say there are statistics.
You fail to provide statistics.
You have made up in the past.
What else is there to understand?
I believe that people given opportunities still must perform in order to succeed. The fact that at least some of those who are given opportunities manage to succeed strikes me as a good thing for society. In other words, the more that people capitalize upon opportunities -- when opportunities are made available to them, by whatever means -- to improve themselves, the better our society is.
Then again, I'm not predisposed to believing that those whose skin color differs from mine are categorically inferior and that their professional successes are presumably the product of having been given an unfair opportunity.
I wonder if you have the same litmus test for white professionals who gain opportunities by virtue of legacies or nepotism. Well, probably not -- those guys are white and not subject to the problems that make blacks inherently suspect.
OK, I'll bite...
No i didn't.
I said I didn't know if I could find them.
Are you accusing me of making up my life experiences?
Saying "the statistics I believe" is so open to interpretation, and you fell for it. Hook, line, and sinker.
Where can you extrapolate I ever implied they were statistics I heard of, read, etc?
Isn't it obvious that my references to living through affirmative action means I have some first hand accounts?
You are such a predictable fool.
This thread should come with a warning. I very nearly choked reading this.
You're absolutely pathetic, Wild Cobra.
You always make up to support your broken logic conclusions, but this is taking it to a new level.
So you are saying you believe your own made up bull , while also saying there are statistics you can't currently find but did find years ago on the internet.
You need to choose one lie and stick with it, WC.
Which lie will it be?
Didn't the dailykos just admit that all their polls were distorted by the company they hired? it is not that far fetched to disbelieve the method of obtaining research when you have an outcome you are trying for.
Did they have an outcome they were "trying for"?
Or are you making that up?
Their polls were distorted because the polling company didn't do the work they were paid to do and fabricated polling samples. How does this invalidate every other study/poll out there?
I once had a doctor I didn't feel I could trust; therefore, no one should trust any doctor.
Not because of prejudice? Really??
Ever wonder how it came to be that entire communities of people throughout the country became magically undereducated? Must be due to inherent social values, right? Couldn't possibly have to do with the fact that "white flight" and the building of suburbia left behind urban communities that were almost entirely people of color. Or that those urban communities became increasingly marginalized and disenfranchised as good education, "high culture," and various other services and opportunities followed the white money out to suburbia, leaving behind groups that were poor to begin with, and largely dependent on early public transportation, several miles away from access to all of the things we, as a society, value as the signs of a strong or healthy community. Nor could it have anything to do with the fact that these urban communities of color, now lacking all of the important societal benchmarks, have been further marginalized by the public opinion that clearly ghetto black folk WANT to live in boarded up rats nests and be drug dealers because, dammit, they just haven't worked all that hard at gaining access to all the things that have been systematically taken away from them.
Nope. None of that.
Has nothing to do with prejudice. Or generations of systemic racism.
At all.
Black people just like being ignorant. For social reasons. It's a community value.
Do we know? How big was the sample? what other controls were used?
We have all seen data/results manipulated both by the right and the left.
Was this poll the work product of a graduate thesis?
If it was, did they maybe bend the data to confirm the premise?
I'm not saying they did or didn't. I'm just saying I'm dubious of the results of this specific study and not prepared to accept them as gospel fact based on a post in an internet message board.
Translation: I didn't open the PDF.
Actually you are saying to dismiss them out of hand because you don't agree with the result. You assume something must be wrong with the study.
Do you need it spelled out? The study is from California.
California!
No, it started with racism.
Your point has no merit.
Stop looking for a handout.
Who's responsibility is it to raise those social benchmarks?
You know. There are whites have the same problems. It's not a black and white issue, it's generational often. It's hard work to break the cycle, but that's an individual responsibility.
If people would start a new future for themselves instead of living in the past, don't you think there are enough opportunities out there?
No, the are living in the past. Screw the past. Make a new future.
should you not question it though?
Ahhhhhhh... Yes.
The Bootstrap Theory, first articulated by Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A., states that the best way for a person or group of people to come up in the world is to create their own opportunites and lift themselves up by their bootstraps. It was similar to evolution in that it was an unproven theory of Doctor Colbert's, but after several years of study at the Honorable Reverend Jerry Falwell's Liberty University the obvious truth on the matter of Bootstrap theory was revealed. It is now common fact amongst true Americans that bootstrap theory is no longer a theory, but a fact of life.
http://wikiality.wikia.com/Bootstrap_theory
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