ESPN Truehoop, Henry Abbott: Would the Spurs trade Tony Parker?

[tuncaboylu]

New Yorkers saw that Lebron is staying, Wade is addressed to Miami or Chicago and they have no hope adding another big free-agent except Amare. So they're trying to create smokescreen to land Parker by this meaningless scenerios.

Spurs don't need trade exception now. If they want to trade Parker, they can use his expiring contract anytime of the year until trade deadline and his value isn't decreasing.

[lurker23]

A few thoughts from my end:

-Like coyotes_geek said, the Spurs aren't going to do this blindly; if they're even considering this, it's going to be with specific free agents and/or trade targets in mind, already contacted, with a good chance of them wanting to come to SA.

-As a corollary to that, you would think that if the Spurs had this as a legitimate part of their potential plans, we would have heard more through the rumor mill. The only players we've heard the Spurs reaching out to are the likes of Wesley Matthews, and a small footnote that they talked with Toronto about a potential Chris Bosh S&T. It's hard to imagine the Spurs trading away their franchise point guard so they can land a few small fish to fill roles.

-Even if they were to land a relatively big fish, it still feels like rebuilding. If you truly think you have a chance at a le this year, I think you put your faith in your established Big 3, who have good chemistry both on and off the court, and hope that the addition of Tiago Splitter is enough to refocus the defensive foundation of the system.

-Finally, if you're doing a trade like Abbott suggests (Parker for Douglas and a TE), I sure hope you're landing a first rounder or two as well.

[tuncaboylu]

-Finally, if you're doing a trade like Abbott suggests (Parker for Douglas and a TE), I sure hope you're landing a first rounder or two as well.

You can't hope too much from New York's first rounder next year, after sending Parker to them. Since they have both Parker and Amare, the pick won't be higher than 20.

I really can't understand why we're discussing to send our all-star PG for an unprovena not lottery pick and trade exception. 2 years old Toney Douglas to back-up our 3 years old Hill in PG position. Is that a joke that I couldn't laugh?

Is this the best offer that we can find? Is everybody crazy? We can try to get Bosh if we decide to send Parker to Toronto, they can get him without second thought.

[Cane]

Is this the best offer that we can find? Is everybody crazy? We can try to get Bosh if we decide to send Parker to Toronto, they can get him without second thought.

No thats not the best offer that we can find. thats not even the best offer the guy above you listed. You seemed to have went in tunnel vision mode and focused on his last point when he had other scenarios listed as well.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

First, Parker isn't the reason why I'm a Spur fan. Keep the fact that I'm French out of it because it has nothing to do with that discussion.

Second, I'm not defensive when it comes to Parker but a lot of people are plain stupid when it comes to him and a trade. Parker is 28 years old, in his prime, 3 times NBA champions, 3 times all star, 1 time final MVP and 1 time all NBA 3rd team. He is arguably the best Spurs ever behind Gervin, Duncan, Robinson, and Ginobili.

Fixed.

[tuncaboylu]

No thats not the best offer that we can find. thats not even the best offer the guy above you listed. You seemed to have went in tunnel vision mode and focused on his last point when he had other scenarios listed as well.

There is no other scenerio about Parker that guy listed in his writing. If there is, please show me.

He wrote in his final sentence:

For Knicks fans it's a question of: Where do I sign up for that? For Spurs fans ... does this do anything for you? Does the emergence of George Hill as Parker's potential replacement change the thinking, allowing the Spurs to "sell high" on Parker before age depletes his value?

Parker's age is deplating his value? How old is he? Is he aging more than the other players in the league? 29 years old JJ is signing 6 years 119M contract, but Parker's age is depleting his value?

[Cane]

There is no other scenerio about Parker that guy listed in his writing. If there is, please show me.

A few thoughts from my end:

-Like coyotes_geek said, the Spurs aren't going to do this blindly; if they're even considering this, it's going to be with specific free agents and/or trade targets in mind, already contacted, with a good chance of them wanting to come to SA.

-As a corollary to that, you would think that if the Spurs had this as a legitimate part of their potential plans, we would have heard more through the rumor mill. The only players we've heard the Spurs reaching out to are the likes of Wesley Matthews, and a small footnote that they talked with Toronto about a potential Chris Bosh S&T. It's hard to imagine the Spurs trading away their franchise point guard so they can land a few small fish to fill roles.

-Even if they were to land a relatively big fish, it still feels like rebuilding. If you truly think you have a chance at a le this year, I think you put your faith in your established Big 3, who have good chemistry both on and off the court, and hope that the addition of Tiago Splitter is enough to refocus the defensive foundation of the system.

-Finally, if you're doing a trade like Abbott suggests (Parker for Douglas and a TE), I sure hope you're landing a first rounder or two as well.

[picnroll]

I have several misgivings about Parker. His questionable desire to re-sign with the Spurs and the more than mixed signals he's been giving about his willingness to move on. His out of the normal character of a Spur's player love for the fast lane, rap pin, movie star marrying life style which is more suited to the glamor cities. The fact that his next contract would carry him into Spurs rebuilding years where he wouldn't be happy or helping. The fact that Parker is a speed guard, not a change of pace, big strong or creative playmaker guard and his speed is going to go away during his next contract. If the Spurs can get the right deal I'm all for moving him. The trick is getting the right deal.

[tuncaboylu]

No thats not the best offer that we can find. thats not even the best offer the guy above you listed. You seemed to have went in tunnel vision mode and focused on his last point when he had other scenarios listed as well.

I was answering to Hanry Abbott, not lurker23

[Cane]

I was answering to Hanry Abbott, not lurker23

Ah my bad then

[tuncaboylu]

Ah my bad then

Cheers

[ohmwrecker]

Fixed.

He kind of busted himself there a little bit.

[MannyIsGod]

Trading RJ for a trade exception = greatness

Trading TP for a trade exception = stupidity

Exactly. The only way this makes sense is if you flip TP for talent out of the gate not the potential of adding talent later.

At this point the only thing I've heard worthwhile is trading TP for Bosh. Nothing else comes close to peaking my interest.

[beirmeistr]

I have several misgivings about Parker. His questionable desire to re-sign with the Spurs and the more than mixed signals he's been giving about his willingness to move on. His out of the normal character of a Spur's player love for the fast lane, rap pin, movie star marrying life style which is more suited to the glamor cities. The fact that his next contract would carry him into Spurs rebuilding years where he wouldn't be happy or helping. The fact that Parker is a speed guard, not a change of pace, big strong or creative playmaker guard and his speed is going to go away during his next contract. If the Spurs can get the right deal I'm all for moving him. The trick is getting the right deal.

Very thoughtful, truthful post.

[coyotes_geek]

Is this the best offer that we can find? Is everybody crazy? We can try to get Bosh if we decide to send Parker to Toronto, they can get him without second thought.

You're missing the point that Abbott was trying to make. Say for example that Bosh insisted on being a Spur and Toronto had no interest in taking on a large return salary as part of a S&T. That would be a scenario where it could make sense for the Spurs to trade away Tony to New York for basically just peanuts and a giant trade exception. Spurs ship out Tony for a TE in one deal, then make a second deal to get Bosh using the TE they just got from trading Tony.

The key though would be having that 2nd deal already worked out. There's no sense whatsoever to the Spurs trading away Tony and then going around trying to find a player to acquire with it.

[Blackjack]

You're missing the point that Abbott was trying to make. Say for example that Bosh insisted on being a Spur and Toronto had no interest in taking on a large return salary as part of a S&T. That would be a scenario where it could make sense for the Spurs to trade away Tony to New York for basically just peanuts and a giant trade exception. Spurs ship out Tony for a TE in one deal, then make a second deal to get Bosh using the TE they just got from trading Tony.

The key though would be having that 2nd deal already worked out. There's no sense whatsoever to the Spurs trading away Tony and then going around trying to find a player to acquire with it.

That trade exception isn't likely to cover a max contract for Bosh, though.

[coyotes_geek]

That trade exception isn't likely to cover a max contract for Bosh, though.

Correct. Dumping Tony's salary alone doesn't create enough room to offer someone like Bosh a max deal. Since guys like Bosh are pretty much the only guys for whom it makes sense to consider moving Tony for, that makes it pretty hard for me to think up a scenario where the Spurs come out ahead by trading Tony.

But, just to keep the conversation going, Parker's contract alone does get you pretty close to a max deal. Spurs could probably get there by tossing in Gee & Hairston.

[lurker23]

That trade exception isn't likely to cover a max contract for Bosh, though.

True. How-evah...

Parker+Gee+Hairston+Temple+Jerrells = $16,790,974

Bosh max deal ~ $16.6 million

[G-Dawgg]

If the Spurs don't trade Tony Parker, he's gonna pull a Rod Strickland on us in a year and I'll be laughing at how stupid everybody is for not wanting to get anything for him in return -just cuz he's their hero... lol

I'm not saying to settle for just a trade exception, but if that's all
we could get for him AT LEAST GET SOMETHING. Don't let him pull what Jefferson is doing and let him go for nothing next year!

[Duncan2177]

Tony Parker for Josh Smith?

[Supergirl]

Jesus ing christ I hope the SPurs FO is not as a stupid as Henry Abbott, Spurstalk posters, and anyone else who even wants to entertain the idea of trading a top 5 PG for peanuts. WTF. Just reading about this making me sick to my stomach. I trust Pop and the FO is not this stupid.

[Dex]

Yeah, let's trade away the heart of our system and the engine that makes the Spurs machine go, and hope we can get somebody half as talented, not to mention as familiar, as Parker back in S&T or trade exceptions.

If they plan to rest Duncan and Ginobili next season, Parker is the one leg the Spurs have to stand on.

George Hill is not ready to run this team, and may never be.

[Blackjack]

Correct. Dumping Tony's salary alone doesn't create enough room to offer someone like Bosh a max deal. Since guys like Bosh are pretty much the only guys for whom it makes sense to consider moving Tony for, that makes it pretty hard for me to think up a scenario where the Spurs come out ahead by trading Tony.

But, just to keep the conversation going, Parker's contract alone does get you pretty close to a max deal. Spurs could probably get there by tossing in Gee & Hairston.

True. How-evah...

Parker+Gee+Hairston+Temple+Jerrells = $16,790,974

Bosh max deal ~ $16.6 million

I wasn't telling you it couldn't be done, just not solely on account of Tony.

AND YOU LEAVE HAIRSTON OUT OF THIS, lurker!!!

[lurker23]

I wasn't telling you it couldn't be done, just not solely on account of Tony.

AND YOU LEAVE HAIRSTON OUT OF THIS, lurker!!!

[silverblk mystix]

Why not?

he is a 2