Miami S&T with Utah and/or Dallas?

**stretch** · 07-06-2010

14 and 7 last year for O'Neal in 28 mpg, and a PER of 18. I didn't watch him much last year, but he can't be "completely done." A pale imitation of what he was in Indiana, sure, but 14/7 and a decent defender is much preferable to having to wildly overpay Brenda (8 and 7 in 27 mpg for us last year).

ah, beat me to it lol

**Findog** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by JamStone

This is one of the cases where the stats lie.

For a more accurate look of what the Mavs would really be getting, look at his playoff games against the Celtics.

Lots of players wilt against the Celtic D. Brenda sucked ass against the Spurs and has the fragile ego of a 14 year old emo girl.

**monosylab1k** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by JamStone

JO didn't his bed. He has the body of a 65 year old woman.

You can take that 14/7 during the regular season, but he will be of no service to you by the time the playoffs arrive. It's not so much his talent eroding as much as it is his body.

And it says something that somebody with the body of a 65 year old woman against the NBA le runners-up played only slightly worse than any Mavs center against a team that got curbstomped in the 2nd round.

**Amarelooms** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by monosylab1k

And it says something that somebody with the body of a 65 year old woman against the NBA le runners-up played only slightly worse than any Mavs center against a team that got curbstomped in the 2nd round.

Only person with a body of a 65yo woman is that dummy Ghazi.....

**Findog** · 07-06-2010

Mavs would probably be best off resigning Damp to a portion of the MLE after he gets waived by his new team than giving Haywood the kind of contract he can get in this market. And make another run at Gortat. Nothing wrong with Damp as long as he's being paid relative to his value. A Damp/Gortat combo would be better than some of these other options being bandied about (resigning Haywood to a big deal, signing fatass Shaq, etc)

**JamStone** · 07-06-2010

Slightly worse? JO was actually getting touches in the offense for Miami. He shot 20% from the field. Haywood may suck, but it's not like he was involved in getting primary touches in the offense. 20% from the field for the series for the starting center. 20%.

If it happens, by the end of the regular season, Mavs fans will be begging for Haywood back.

And wilting against the Celtics D is one thing. The Celtics weren't even challenging Jermaine. He was just bricking open jumpers and when he did try to take it inside, he had no explosiveness. Credit Boston's defense when it actually does something. They didn't against Jermaine. He was stopping himself.

**stretch** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by Findog

Lots of players wilt against the Celtic D.

exactly. especially when you are relied upon basically as the 2nd option, despite not being #2 option caliber player at this point of your career. in Dallas, he would be the 4th or 5th option at best - aka a role player, which is exactly what he is at this point... a glorified role player. great fit for the Mavs IMO.

**JamStone** · 07-06-2010

Glorified role player as a 4th or 5th option putting up say the same 8/7 Haywood would put up?

**Findog** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by JamStone

Glorified role player as a 4th or 5th option putting up say the same 8/7 Haywood would put up?

Well, it's a matter of what you're paying. Haywood is going to get an insane contract in this market. Anybody want to take any guesses as to what he signs for? Especially after the big names go off the board and teams are scrambling to salvage that cap space they created?

I'm guessing 5/55.

**Amarelooms** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by Findog

Well, it's a matter of what you're paying. Haywood is going to get an insane contract in this market. Anybody want to take any guesses as to what he signs for? Especially after the big names go off the board and teams are scrambling to salvage that cap space they created?

I'm guessing 5/55.

Yeah 5 year close to 60. I don't pay that for his sorry ass....sign and trade him

**Findog** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Yeah 5 year close to 60. I don't pay that for his sorry ass....sign and trade him

That would be the best thing the Mavs could do, so they don't lose that asset for nothing.

**stretch** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by JamStone

Glorified role player as a 4th or 5th option putting up say the same 8/7 Haywood would put up?

Works for me, since you get Beasley out of it too.

**Amarelooms** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by Findog

That would be the best thing the Mavs could do, so they don't lose that asset for nothing.

Can't lose him for nothing though...so regardless you sign him and then try and work out a trade

**JamStone** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by stretch

Works for me, since you get Beasley out of it too.

Agreed, as long as you don't expect much from JO.

My point is that don't put any stock in thinking JO will be any better than Haywood would be.

I agree about it making more sense when you put the contract finances into the equation. But I don't think JO gives you much at all.

**stretch** · 07-06-2010

Originally Posted by JamStone

Agreed, as long as you don't expect much from JO.

My point is that don't put any stock in thinking JO will be any better than Haywood would be.

I agree about it making more sense when you put the contract finances into the equation. But I don't think JO gives you much at all.

I don't neccesarily think he WILL be better than Haywood. But he definitely has potential to be more of a threat to other teams than Haywood, if he stays healthy, and is used properly. His skill-set is far superior to Haywood's skill-set.