And that would be the appropriate response.
I'll open a new can of worms here! lol
I already mentioned a scenario of Bosh coming here by using TP.
But would the Spurs trade TP for Nash? Nash could mentor Hill, and Jefferson would thrive.
Just another insane thought to add to all the other insane thoughts.
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I couldn't have answered better (or a shorter)
yes its been confirmed amare was right parker wants to be traded to the knicks, and sources say the knicks are looking for a 3rd team to send a sf to san antonio in a trade, look for this trade to happen if wade or lebron dont go to the knicks, so i would say by the end of this month
The bold part above makes no sense to me. First of all, Parker talking about possibly moving on is exactly what Ginobili did last year during the season. Spurs fans were mostly fine with Ginobili talking about being open to signing elsewhere during the middle of the regular season but burn Parker at the stake for saying the same thing in the summer? Okay . . .
I also don't understand how Spurs fans hold Parker marrying a TV star against him. Spurs fans, for some unknown reason, would rather Parker be unhappy and married to a no-name then happy and married to a celebrity. Again, I don't understand the logic behind that.
And Parker living in the fast lane? He goes on vacation during the offseason and attends a few events here and there ... and that's about it. Not exactly a fast lane if you ask me.
The rest of your post is somewhat logical but the bold is baseless.
But whatever, Spurs fans have never and will never really appreciate what Parker brings to the team. They're willing to sprain their neck looking for things to hold against him. It's just weird more than anything.
For the record, I'm not against trading him depending on the deal and the position the Spurs find themselves. He's far from untouchable. But it'd be great if Spurs fans concentrated on reality instead of inventing issues and controversies.
So why is those 2 trades should be done sepeartely? If Abbott was thinking as you said he would write the following one.
In a 3 team deal we send Parker to New York, they send trade exception to Toronto and Toronto sends Bosh to us.
Mr Absurd was not thinking Bosh in San Antonio while he was writing this scenerio. His whole wish is to see Parker in New York and he's dreaming.
Link to confirmed that parker wants to leave?
Link that knicks are looking for 3rd team?
Link that Knicks have anything to give 3rd team?
Link that end of month is magic deadline?
Otherwise, fail.
I Agree very much!
I can understand from the fanbase, but from the media and some "respected" journalists... WTF??!!!!???!!
I'm used no have no respect to the french journalists and in particular the one who follow sports and I was kind of "jalous" about the US ones who seemed to have a better knowledge of their sports, but the more it goes, the more it seems they are all the same!!
Like a lot of fans, I end up so often (like now!) thinking "I should have his job, I would do soo much better!"...
I mean, sport is just a hobby for me and like for most of you I know so much more than them, it's scary...
and what about Timvp, Bruno... you must be laughing guys!
You (and some others) are one of the main reasons I keep coming on ST...
Let me ask you a question, IF you were Tony's agent/adviser, what would you suggest him to do?
I mean, I'm pretty sure he'd love to end his career in SA but (even if he doesn't come on ST) does he feel he is not really apreciate by the fanbase (at least the way he should be for what he has done)?
Maybe the "Parker haters" are not that many after all, they just post a lot...
Trade Parker would be stupid. He'll be in a contract year and we'll see the 2009 TP again. I hope he stays, play well and sign an extension
Hill as the starting PG = nightmare.
I hope the Spurs have someone lined up if Parker leaves or it's Detroit Pistons all over again.
I don't criticize Parker for his lifestyle choice, that's what you read into it. At the same time, admittedly not knowing him, he seems to enjoy the in the spotlight celebrity lifestyle more than Duncan or Ginobili. That's fine. Frankly if I grew up in Paris I might long for Living in a more cosmopolitan city. And I appreciate Parker's contribution. That said I have doubt, all things, i.e., money, being equal that Parker's first choice would be SA and personally I would not want the Spurs to give Parker a maxed out contract to keep him for the next 5 or 6 years. If the right deal, let me make that clear THE RIGHT DEAL, came I would not be against the Spurs trading him.
Huh? This looks pretty clear:
What am I reading into wrong?
99% of the NBA enjoys the celebrity spotlight more than Duncan or Ginobili. , it's probably 100%. Duncan and Ginobili might be the two most unassuming celebrities in the world. Holding anyone up that standard is unrealistic.
Agree 100%
IMO there are a couple of things that I feel no-one has really mentioned here--regarding TP and Manu's loyalty and/or willingness to be traded---willingness to re-sign with the spurs...
#1) TP and Manu have been 100% model citizens, gentlemen, and TRUE spurs in every way, so WHY has everyone always invented reasons why they will leave,why they should be traded,etc...
Manu could have become a free agent and most likely would have been paid a lot more by numerous teams---and he KNEW it---but he stayed. IMO I believe that Manu was loyal because the spurs showed him respect and let him know that they wanted him.
#2) TP has ALSO been all of the above and IMO if the spurs treat him with respect---there is a good chance he will stay.
...as far as EVA --she is a TEXAS GIRL--why would she have to leave when all TP and Eva have to do is fly at a moments notice to anywhere in the world--why does everyone ASSUME that TP OR Eva are pining for some glamourous city? they already have the resources to be anywhere,anytime.
#3) this is just a hunch---but I feel that because TP and Manu are not originally american born and raised---they seem to have a different upbringing---a more ...old world upbringing-if you will...they don't seem to follow the spoiled,tatted,thuggish,hip-hop culture as deeply as other NBA playas'---
this means, to me anyway that they have MANNERS and certain things resonate more with them;
things such as respect, a team/family atmosphere, politeness,straight-shooting from Pop,etc....
IMO all these things matter and it seems insulting to lump these two special spurs with all the other free agents who will jump ship at the drop of a hat.
TP should retire as a spur and if allowed to do so...I see more les in the near future.
Agreed. If the Spurs get a great offer or if the team has no chance and TP is likely to leave in free agency, I have no issue with trading him.
that's a lot of "if" guys... and big ones!
What your reading wrong is that I'm not disapproving or criticizing his lifestyle choices but that at this stage in his career/life I think he finds a city like NY more enjoyable, better suited to the celebrity lifestyle he enjoys, certainly his celebrity in NY better for his wife's career. That that is, among other reasons, why he may be prone to not sign with the Spurs and why trading him might be the best option as opposed to losing him for little to nothing. I might be right or wrong in reading the situation but only someone wearing rose colored glasses wouldn't weigh that as a possible motivation that goes into the mix of him staying or leaving.
It really amuses me how Hill's become incapable of playing the point for the Spurs. Like the Spurs would be screwed and just fall off the map.
Newton's Third Law of Motion:
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Pop and some fans overhype, which creates and equal and opposite backlash.
I've got news for all parties, Hill is a far cry from Tony at the point and most likely will never become his equal. But Hill's future is at the point and he's going to be a pretty damn good one in his way -- he'll never be prototypical or 'the quintessential' but neither was -- or is -- Tony.
Is it ever possible for a Spurs fan to appreciate two players on their team that's game or position conflict and just recognizing it as such: a conflict of position or abilities and not a blood feud that needs a side to be taken?
Lets try thinking a little strategically:
The Spurs have 2 possible objectives with such a trade. 1) Try for a championship in the remaining 2 years of Duncan & Manu. 2) Set up for the Post Duncan & Manu years.
IF 1), trading Parker needs to bring back assets that bring more basketball value, than Parker does next season. That means for example, some sort of sign and trade for a PG or a COMBO guard who brings MORE to the table than Parker. For example, CP3 or Roy (Note, I am not suggesting either of those are available, but that's the kind of TALENT we are talking). Any offseason involving Tony leaving would not fit this strategic intent unless a strong starting level PG comes in; Hill is not a starting PG on a championship team.
IF 2), trading Parker needs to bring back enough you potential to have a chance of building a championship contender around. That means a potential heir to Duncan's throne, or other potential lead dog level player. For example, Derick Favors, Greg Oden, DeMarcus Cousins (maybe).
Anything less than these two extremes means it makes far more sense to wait for the next CBA and see what happens to the value of a maximum contract; it's going to go down. The question is : how much? It may well be that TP would be sginificantly better off accepting a 5yrs/$65 million extension, which the SAS ownership might well pay. Tony has a strong incentive to resign due to the uncertainty in the new CBA...
This is what I have been preaching. I think people do not give enough importance to TP getting a deal done this year, vs. what he will be able to command after next summer with the new CBA. It changes what we can offer him and how affordable he will be. significantly.
He might still not want to play for the Spurs after TD retires if they are not a playoff team, though.
I pretty much agree with the premise, except for the part in bold.
The Spurs don't need to have a Parker-level talent at the point or 2, but they would need comparable talent -- should they bolster the front court 3-5 and have Hill at the point, they'd be just fine. But if you're expecting Hill to be Tony, you'll be sorely disappointed and fall short of your goal.
Don't post much but I gotta weigh in on this. It's funny how short term memory most fans on here have. All season Manu said he was going to test free agency and a lot of people wanted to trade him. we all know what happened next. It's a negotiation tactic.
Parker is just doing the same thing. Parker's stance after the season was he wanted to start talking to the Spurs about an extension in Oct. If he continued that stance he would lose his leverage for a bigger contract.
Once again in the moment spurs fans want TP traded after a down year much like Manu after his down year last season. Also the thought that you can get awesome value in return for Tony is stupid too, since he had a bad year teams aren't going to over pay for a possible 1 yr rental. Their thinking is to see if they can get a steal.
Lets hope TP is healthy and back to his 2009 form instead of hoping to have a trade just for the sake of making a trade.
I'm unconcerned about Parker. I think there would need to be a completely lopsided deal for the Spurs to trade him. If RJ leaves and we don't get to spend the money (ie: through a S&T), I expect the Spurs to offer an extension that Tony will eventually take as soon as more details of the upcoming CBA become public.
What I'm really undecided about is wether we should offer the entire MLE to Splitter or Mason Jr...
And this has been the reason for my three-week insomnia binge . . .
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